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Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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> It feels spacious, natural, functional, and hospitable. If we want to solve the climate crisis, this is everything an airport should not be.

How does a cramped, artificial, non-functional airport solve the climate crisis?

Maybe by discouraging air travel? lol I dunno.. silly take

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I agree it looks nice, but dressing up an airport in sustainable materials won't materially change the fact that a flight Boston - NYC (one-way!) blasts through ~0.7t[1] of CO2eq of your yearly budget of 1-3t[2]. It won't change the fact, but I'm sure it'll make it easier to forget or ignore. [1] https://co2.myclimate.org/en/portfolios?calculation_id=75775... [2] e.g. https://ieep.eu/publications/carbon-inequality-in…

the same people telling me to save on my carbon emission are the ones who are ok with free trade to have stuff made thousands of miles away (in jurisdictions with very lax environmental laws) that could be made right here and employ blue-collar workers. Those container ships arrive full and leave empty. What's the CO2eq of that?

Cargo ships are the most efficient form of transport. They use scale of big ships carrying lots of cargo.

It takes about the same amount of CO2 to carry container across the Pacific as to truck it across the country. Producing it here or there doesn't make much difference. If anything, it is more efficient to produce in China cause they have higher percent of renewable electricity.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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I suppose with such a large investment though, they'd want to plan for that possibly changing eventually, no? I'd be flying from/to Canada anyway, but if it was a viable and better option compared to others like SF, they'd get my business instead, not that there's much business to give

At 2.5M people, Portland, Oregon metro probably cannot support many international routes (except Vancouver). And it has very few businesses that would necessitate international business travel. Maybe a flight to Japan, London, mainland Europe, and Mexico.

There is a Delta direct to Amsterdam just because of Nike and Adidas.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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post #114

I agree it looks nice, but dressing up an airport in sustainable materials won't materially change the fact that a flight Boston - NYC (one-way!) blasts through ~0.7t[1] of CO2eq of your yearly budget of 1-3t[2]. It won't change the fact, but I'm sure it'll make it easier to forget or ignore. [1] https://co2.myclimate.org/en/portfolios?calculation_id=75775... [2] e.g. https://ieep.eu/publications/carbon-inequality-in…

Sadly, it's true. In my opinion, this is the hypocrisy of the modern 'green' agenda - we endlessly discuss pollution, yet we cling to the comforts of modern life, many of which cause even greater harm.

Modern comforts like electricity, cars, heating, and cooling. Those are most of the CO2 that people produce.

It is dumb to give up modern comforts when we know how to make them green by making electricity renewable and electrifying everything. Changing habits like reducing driving and increasing transit would help. Some things will be hard, like airplanes and concrete.

I agree somewhat that there is lots of distractions. There is a lot of talk about plastic and recycling that really has little to do with climate change.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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How does a cramped, artificial, non-functional airport solve the climate crisis?

Maybe by discouraging air travel? lol I dunno.. silly take

Finally, someone who is not totally dull.

Yes, by making prettier and bigger airports do you think that encourages or discourages air travel?

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Much of the issue is that city planners like it that way. The building codes require it, and when they don't, they'll have design review requirements where the planners will make you change it. There's a common modern look called a 5-over-1 which usually looks like a giant box made out of four different colored Lego sets. The random different colors are forced on them by planners who think it provides "articulation".…

> The PNW actually doesn't have these rules, although the rest of the country hasn't noticed yet. For all our warts, I continue to believe the PNW is the best area of the country to live. I'm obviously biased. But I've lived a lot of places and I keep coming back here.

I mean to each their own.

The PNW is good for certain types of people: those who love nature, are less urban, who are more introverted, less interested in high culture.

I’ve also lived in many parts of the country and Canada, and the PNW has been the least favorite for me.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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I believe the other improvement people don't pay attention to is the new TSA scanners you don't have to take your laptop out.

If you had TSA Precheck -- which if you fly more than a couple of times a year is well worth it IMO -- then you already didn't need to take your laptop out (or shoes off). (On the other hand I see no point in CLEAR over Precheck)

This varies from airport to airport in my experience. I’ve had precheck for almost a decade by now and have been through several precheck scanner lines where I’ve had to pull out laptops.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Does any of the famous carpet still remain? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_International_Airport...

Wow. That is an impressive rabbit hole to explore. > She also said that the Port of Portland "understand[s] that people have an emotional connection to the carpet". Not a phrase I expected to read today.

I'm one of those people. My mom was an executive who traveled to DC practically weekly, so I have fond memories of going go PDX often go see her off and pick her up with my dad. That carpet features in those memories.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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The carbon emission is not a problem, the imbalance is. When we burn fossil fuels, we use carbon that was stored by dead plants being buried. We take carbon from the ground and dump it in the atmosphere. Plants take carbon from the atmosphere. If were to bury the equivalent amount of wood, we would be equal. Buried wood is not useful, but building from it also locks the carbon somewhere else that isn't an atmosphere.…

Does burying wood actually work? I'm assuming it's a little more complicated than literally burying it, cause wouldn't it decay and release carbon at some point anyway?

As most of the heavy construction and earth moving equipment you'd use to bury the wood will be burning diesel and releasing carbon the entire time, you enter some new Tyranny of the Rocket/Wagon equation.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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I believe in this case they aren't waiting for it to mature. They use what's called LVL (laminate veneer lumber) which is basically thin sheets of the wood glued together (think plywood but thicker) and then recut into dimensional sizes. The end product is both stronger and straighter than conventional lumber. And because you don't need a large cross section (almost literally any size will do), you can have a pretty…

PDX is not using LVL, they're using glulam. That's 2x4 and 2x6 dimensional lumber glued together. https://www.apawood.org/pdx-gets-back-to-its-roots-with-engi...

Cool -- good info, thank you.
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