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Iran are shia and the rebels are sunni - two groups that hate each other and have been battling each other throughout the middle east.

Hamas is Sunni and Iran is Shia. Sunni and Shia don't really matter in these contexts. And if you think Islamist rebels hate Shias more than they hate Israel and the USA, it's a toss-up, imo

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Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Iran are shia and the rebels are sunni - two groups that hate each other and have been battling each other throughout the middle east.

Hamas is Sunni and Iran is Shia. Sunni and Shia don't really matter in these contexts. And if you think Islamist rebels hate Shias more than they hate Israel and the USA, it's a toss-up, imo

If it didn't matter then all the arab nation would all be aligned, but it matters and they aren't. The Saudis vs Iran is still driving a lot of the faction movement in the region.

The Sunni world is mostly fine with Israel, other than Hamas of course, which is why Hamas had to work with Iran (although it seems like it backfired on Iran)

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It's surprising to me that many here in HN see Turkey as the state terrorists over the Kurds, when the main party of Kurdish independence from Turkey is a literal terrorist group who committed a terrorist attack killing innocent civilians in Turkey just over one month ago! It feels to me that when HNers agree that a people should be sovereign (the Kurds), they ignore the terrorism. When they don't agree (the Palestin…

> is a literal terrorist group Some guys doing bad stuff, say other guys doing bad stuff are really bad - trust us - and thus have them added to the definitive naughty list. In case you're in any doubt, there are lots of bad people and folks out there, but believing there's one definitive list is pretty much Western chauvinism writ large.

I largely agree with you that "terrorism" is a designation solely used to denigrate ones enemies. That's the point I'm making. As soon as one group does what we call terrorism, but we agree with them, the label falls off

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Hamas is Sunni and Iran is Shia. Sunni and Shia don't really matter in these contexts. And if you think Islamist rebels hate Shias more than they hate Israel and the USA, it's a toss-up, imo

If it didn't matter then all the arab nation would all be aligned, but it matters and they aren't. The Saudis vs Iran is still driving a lot of the faction movement in the region. The Sunni world is mostly fine with Israel, other than Hamas of course, which is why Hamas had to work with Iran (although it seems like it backfired on Iran)

I feel like you are intentionally saying ridiculous things, so really no point in talking. The idea that "the Sunni world is mostly fine with Israel" is such a ridiculous idea it's not worth discussing further with you.

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Well, you haven't read it properly then: [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Mohammad_al-Julani ] > When asked about al-Nusra's plans for a post-war Syria, al-Julani stated that after the war ended, all factions in the country would be consulted before anyone considered "establishing an Islamic state". He also mentioned that al-Nusra would not target the country's Alawite minority, despite their support for the Ass…

Not to go straight to the godwin's point but that's a "Hitler didn't hurt puppies" argument. This guy is former Al Quaeda and clearly a jihadist.

I see his experience as governor of Idlib matching his moderate rhetoric. He has clearly evolved his views from his younger years of international jihadist towards syrian nationalism, including tolerance of minorities that make part of the syrian people, and economic development (christmas trees and free mass, or a more reliable electricity supply than Damascus for example)

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Ongoingly is not a word.

OED has it https://www.oed.com/dictionary/ongoingly_adv?tl=true

I see the meaning of that word is "To continue reading, please sign in or purchase a subscription."...

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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This is an absurd oversimplification. Turkey backs two powerful factions. Another powerful faction is one that Turkey wants to eliminate permanently. A third powerful faction is supported by the US, Jordan and others. Then you have the fact that a lot of who Turkey helped are elite salafists who would gladly go to war with them if they had the power to do so.

For reference, can you please name the four or so factions you’re referring to?

HTS, SNA, Southern Front and SDF. This is an intentional oversimplification but illustrates the point I wanted to make with broad strokes.

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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> it means Ukraine has a real fighting chance to put them on their knees. Yes, and this point has been obvious to many for the last two years. The problem has been the west drip feeding aid into the largest war since WW2. We actually have to define the objective as reclaiming all Ukranian territory (at least to the pre-2022 borders) and supply them appropriately. It might be expensive in the short-term but we can aff…

Ukraine is out of time because Trump was re-elected. Only Europe can save them now and that will put Europe at odds with Putin/Trump.

But Trump winning means Zelenskyy can scale down his ambitions (about reclaiming all of Ukranian territory) and not lose face, "well, the #####s reelected that Putin-fan in USA, so this is the best we can get now.", and conveniently for Putin it's also a way to get out of the expected walk into the Kyiv-Park that turned out into 3 years of quagmire: he can say "The goal all along was to secure Crimea and access to the Black Sea, get out the миссия выполнена banner!".
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