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Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by natch »

borski wrote: post #220
melodyogonna wrote: post #211

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Is it Tesla sales that is down or a general down trend in the car market? Tesla's Model Y is still the best selling car model in the world in 2024

Other EV brands have increased sales in the same time period Tesla has lost them.

The geography matters, but just speaking for the US, rational buyers who want an EV will learn their lesson and come to Tesla. Maybe after one last ICE mistake but eventually.

Superchargers are not just a bullet point, having them or not is a dividing line between "it just works" and "life is miserable" for EV owners. And only a small subset of them are open to non-Teslas for who knows how long.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by natch »

Aloha wrote: post #172
qwerpy wrote: post #157

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It's a pleasure to drive and it has been great for what I use it for. Mostly family stuff but the occasional camping trip in the middle of nowhere. A Rivian R1S probably would have been more practical for me due to the 3 rows of seats. But I love the angular look. It's definitely polarizing, no question. Some downsides: snow/ice can block the headlights, the windshield wiper and washer fluid sprayer are bad, the rang…

I've not been a huge fan of Tesla generally because of the lack of physical buttons, as well as build quality. I think my next vehicle, will be at a minimum plug in hybrid, and maybe full BEV, ironically, replacing our dual electric tank hot water heaters allows for us to install a charger.

Teslas have plenty of physical buttons. You've been lied to.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by Dylan16807 »

borski wrote: post #224
bobthepanda wrote: post #174

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EV stations have a lot more competition that doesn’t need to turn a profit; a person’s home. Nobody has home gas tanks to fill up their car. I don’t know many people buying electric without having a home charger.

Literally anyone who lives in an apartment.

That's a pretty big exaggeration.

It's not easy to install your own in an apartment, but increasing numbers of apartments have chargers and most apartments could have them.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by jonplackett »

m463 wrote: post #104
NotSammyHagar wrote: post #32

Their strategy was to build them where there weren't other dcfc chargers, opening up new areas especially around outdoors places. Their chargers are much better maintained in general than the infamous Electrify America (they really struggle to fix EA chargers when they have problems, and they have problems) - there's a long story behind this. Rivian started before the plan to use superchargers was even envisioned, so…

I've come to notice that there is no incentive for 3rd party ev-chargers to be dependable. Telsa and rivian have a vested interest in keeping the chargers working. Their sales depend on the chargers working. Even a little bad press is a multiplier against sales. They also have significant engineering effort throughout the charging ecosystem, from the batteries, on-board infrastructure, standards, mapping, strategic c…

Why is it so hard to keep an electric charger running?

Is it just because it’s so much power that there’s weird components in there?

At face value, plugs are in general pretty solid! Like how many times in your life has a plug in your house just stopped working.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by peutetre »

natch wrote: post #229
peutetre wrote: post #202

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Contactless payment by card is mandated going forward: https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-energies/europe/article/f... So you won't have to sign up for anything else.

Or with Tesla leave your card in your wallet, you won't need it. The station IDs the car and charges the card on file in your account. No card, no scan, no tap, no need to use an app, just plug in. At least in the US. Hopefully they aren't forcing this step backwards to contactless payment by card on Teslas too when the existing system is so much better.

No. I'm not interested in setting up an account for every charging network I use.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by borski »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #233
borski wrote: post #224

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Literally anyone who lives in an apartment.

That's a pretty big exaggeration. It's not easy to install your own in an apartment, but increasing numbers of apartments have chargers and most apartments could have them.

Sure, they are slowly getting added, but the incentives are pretty low. The vast majority of apartment-dwellers charge either at work (if they are lucky enough to work for a large enough company that builds chargers) or at a public charging station

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by borski »

natch wrote: post #231
borski wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other EV brands have increased sales in the same time period Tesla has lost them.

The geography matters, but just speaking for the US, rational buyers who want an EV will learn their lesson and come to Tesla. Maybe after one last ICE mistake but eventually. Superchargers are not just a bullet point, having them or not is a dividing line between "it just works" and "life is miserable" for EV owners. And only a small subset of them are open to non-Teslas for who knows how long.

That is simply not true. You are speaking about the past. In the present and the future, especially as superchargers open up to other brands and more NEVI chargers get built in the second half of this decade, I see absolutely no reason people would “come to Tesla.”

I would put money on the opposite, and on people moving to other brands.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by NewJazz »

xyst wrote: post #178

With current charging times, I wonder if EV companies are considering buying up the surrounding land of their charging stations and subsequently leasing the land. Once EV becomes more mainstream/adopted, people are very likely to stay in the area for a long period. Either stay in your vehicle, or grab a nice hot meal for an hour. Maybe vicinity of EV charging stations will revive the “strip mall”

Don't assume that present charging speeds will be the typical experience in even a five year horizon.

Hyundai's eGMP platform will get you charged up in less than 20 minutes typically. Tesla and others are a little closer to 30 minutes per charge, right now.

But that could halve in 5 years, conceivably. Are you really going to invest in land on a 10+ year time frame when the tech is still evolving?

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by NewJazz »

mikeryan wrote: post #101
fredsmith219 wrote: post #93

The have a charger very near to where I go in Michigan, and 30 miles from the nearest supercharger. They announced earlier this year that they would open up the RAN “near the end of the year” so I’ve been waiting for this announcement. The fact that they will only gradually modify existing chargers to work with other vehicles is a disappointment. It’s all CCS so it should just be a software update. I am really lookin…

I've only used the RAN chargers once, but IIRC, they don't really have an interface for allowing third-party transactions (i.e., paying with a credit card). You have to register your vehicle through their app, which may also make this a bit more difficult.

Hopefully they allow web-based registration of your car for plug and charge.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by NewJazz »

_ea1k wrote: post #129
isaacdl wrote: post #7

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What are the 7? In my experience, the two that really matter are J1772/CCS1 and NACS (Tesla). There's a scattering of CHADeMO, but I haven't yet seen a Level 3 DC charger that has CHADeMO only - the cabinet also has a CCS1 plug. Most (all?) manufacturers will be moving to NACS in the next few years. Luckily, J1772/CCS1 and NACS are protocol-level compatible, so adaptors are relatively cheap and easy to make. The rema…

I'm guessing that 7 comes from splitting J1772 from CCS1. It sort of makes sense, I guess. There are even a few EVs with J1772 but not CCS1 (eg, the early Chevrolet Bolt without the DCFC option). I agree with you, though. Splitting it out is weird at this point. It'd be a bit like pointing at all the different grades of gasoline and saying filling gas cars is hard. 87 octane, 89 octane, 92 octane, e-85 (try explainin…

There are many plug in vehicles with J1772 and nothing else. See: almost any PHEV. Lol.
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