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Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by boredatoms »

Spooky23 wrote: post #194
m463 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've come to notice that there is no incentive for 3rd party ev-chargers to be dependable. Telsa and rivian have a vested interest in keeping the chargers working. Their sales depend on the chargers working. Even a little bad press is a multiplier against sales. They also have significant engineering effort throughout the charging ecosystem, from the batteries, on-board infrastructure, standards, mapping, strategic c…

You’re right! Pay phones used to actually make money and get maintained by the phone company! A lot of money. And a lot of regulation. Outside of the hood, they started reducing the maintenance expenses in the mid 90s when receiving calls was pretty much banned. Chargers are worse than ATMs, they are yet another real estate tax scheme. The actual function of charging is often not a serious consideration.

Receiving calls? Perhaps Im too young, what was the use case for that?

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by peutetre »

HdS84 wrote: post #197
peutetre wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main problem has been lack of standardization. No one wants to invest in infrastructure when there's no common standard to build to. North America is a long way behind Europe in EV charging infrastructure: https://evboosters.com/ev-charging-news/europe-surpasses-900... And both are behind China: https://evboosters.com/ev-charging-news/the-state-of-public-... Europe and China have charging standards that everyone…

Where Europe dropped the ball is not forcing gas station like behaviour onto the chargers. Now we have a bazillion different charging cards and prices differ wildly depending on the Tarif.

Contactless payment by card is mandated going forward:

https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-energies/europe/article/f...

So you won't have to sign up for anything else.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by boredatoms »

iknowstuff wrote: post #164
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd drop Tesla from that argument. No, not that the SC network is bad. Their CEO alienated 50% of their customer base with politics. This is going to be one of the most interesting case studies in brand management and advertising history. But you are probably correct. I think making the infrastructure act funding contingent on reliability metrics is pretty key. You know, if the money doesn't get yanked by the adminis…

50% is grossly exaggerated and kind of shows you’re in a bubble. Tesla sells in China, the world’s largest car market and by far the largest EV market, and Europe, and Australia, and Japan etc. even half of americans dont give a fuck despite some democrats claiming that. Most people dont give a fuck about the ceo’s politics except maybe in the bay area.

Anecdotally, Australians are very very unhappy with Musk now due to the US election

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by peutetre »

boredatoms wrote: post #203
iknowstuff wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

50% is grossly exaggerated and kind of shows you’re in a bubble. Tesla sells in China, the world’s largest car market and by far the largest EV market, and Europe, and Australia, and Japan etc. even half of americans dont give a fuck despite some democrats claiming that. Most people dont give a fuck about the ceo’s politics except maybe in the bay area.

Anecdotally, Australians are very very unhappy with Musk now due to the US election

Tesla's brand damage in Australia:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-08-22/tesla-reputat...

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by HdS84 »

peutetre wrote: post #202
HdS84 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where Europe dropped the ball is not forcing gas station like behaviour onto the chargers. Now we have a bazillion different charging cards and prices differ wildly depending on the Tarif.

Contactless payment by card is mandated going forward: https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-energies/europe/article/f... So you won't have to sign up for anything else.

Yes, but currently that's always the most expensive option. I am driving a lot from Cologne to Bremerhaven. Depending on the spot where I stop, I would need an EWE, EnBW, Aral, ionity, eon, shell or some smaller card to get somewhat reasonable prices. Annoying.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

#206

Post by [deleted] »

cebert wrote: post #165
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd drop Tesla from that argument. No, not that the SC network is bad. Their CEO alienated 50% of their customer base with politics. This is going to be one of the most interesting case studies in brand management and advertising history. But you are probably correct. I think making the infrastructure act funding contingent on reliability metrics is pretty key. You know, if the money doesn't get yanked by the adminis…

I don’t think most people make purchasing decisions based on the personal politics of a firm’s CEO. It will be interesting to see how impactful it ends up being.

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Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

#207

Post by jasomill »

boredatoms wrote: post #201
Spooky23 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re right! Pay phones used to actually make money and get maintained by the phone company! A lot of money. And a lot of regulation. Outside of the hood, they started reducing the maintenance expenses in the mid 90s when receiving calls was pretty much banned. Chargers are worse than ATMs, they are yet another real estate tax scheme. The actual function of charging is often not a serious consideration.

Receiving calls? Perhaps Im too young, what was the use case for that?

Saving money, for one. Incoming payphone calls are free.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

#208

Post by boredatoms »

cebert wrote: post #165
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd drop Tesla from that argument. No, not that the SC network is bad. Their CEO alienated 50% of their customer base with politics. This is going to be one of the most interesting case studies in brand management and advertising history. But you are probably correct. I think making the infrastructure act funding contingent on reliability metrics is pretty key. You know, if the money doesn't get yanked by the adminis…

I don’t think most people make purchasing decisions based on the personal politics of a firm’s CEO. It will be interesting to see how impactful it ends up being.

Most CEOs aren’t in the spotlight actively campaigning

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

#210

Post by vlovich123 »

m463 wrote: post #104
NotSammyHagar wrote: post #32

Their strategy was to build them where there weren't other dcfc chargers, opening up new areas especially around outdoors places. Their chargers are much better maintained in general than the infamous Electrify America (they really struggle to fix EA chargers when they have problems, and they have problems) - there's a long story behind this. Rivian started before the plan to use superchargers was even envisioned, so…

I've come to notice that there is no incentive for 3rd party ev-chargers to be dependable. Telsa and rivian have a vested interest in keeping the chargers working. Their sales depend on the chargers working. Even a little bad press is a multiplier against sales. They also have significant engineering effort throughout the charging ecosystem, from the batteries, on-board infrastructure, standards, mapping, strategic c…

Why does 3p charging work way better in European countries like France and Germany? Talked to a guy that had a (if I recall correctly) Mercedes EV family van and he was doing a road trip and he said at least in France it was smooth going for travel.

I would think the incentive is aligned because then your not making money but you still have land rent or property taxes to pay but not generating any revenue to cover it.

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