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Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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If you had TSA Precheck -- which if you fly more than a couple of times a year is well worth it IMO -- then you already didn't need to take your laptop out (or shoes off). (On the other hand I see no point in CLEAR over Precheck)

The only point I see to CLEAR is to cut the line in airports where everyone has precheck.

makes sense but so far I haven't experienced that -- well, one time the precheck line was longer than the regular line (so I just went to the regular line)

but maybe for travelers who regularly travel at super busy times (i.e., flying out of DC on a Friday evening) benefit from CLEAR

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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The wood is pretty, but as someone who uses this terminal, the key improvement is that they raised the ceiling and significantly increased the amount of natural light. Here's a good photo of what it looked like before: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Portland_Internation... The major functional drawback is that wayfinding for both arrivals and departures is much worse. The overall flow of foot traffic is way…

How much in additional HVAC costs result from having high ceilings though?

society should have _some_ nice things, not everything needs to be cost optimized to the extreme with a microscope. :)

On the bright side, they used timber for almost all of the construction here which is effectively a “carbon sink”, which is unusual for an airport.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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I just flew through there and saw the renovation for the first time, and it is an absolutely stunning transformation. Just incredible. I loved it. The whole thing. From the ceiling to the ticketing islands to the reworked security to the amphitheater style seating areas at the terminal exit where friends & family can await your arrival. It feels spacious, natural, functional, and hospitable.

> It feels spacious, natural, functional, and hospitable. If we want to solve the climate crisis, this is everything an airport should not be.

so do tell, which airport do you like? Or should we just ban all air travel? I don’t think you’ll get many people to agree to that so that idea is dead in the water.

And apparently private jets are of no concern! The average private citizen must suffer! lol. I’d recommend banning private jets to start…that might actually make a decent dent in air travel emissions without punishing normal travelers.

If you want to discourage air travel, tax the fuel appropriately. It’s not a hard concept. For the people that are traveling, i don’t see why it’s a problem that their experience is nice.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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As any airport, it's still a horrible place that you can't even leave until you get to your destination. Think of it: the moment you get into your airport of departure, you become a hamster that enters a giant virtual tube that ends at the exit doors at your destination airport. You are not even allowed to go outside and breathe fresh air, like in hi-security prison. A prison with nice wooden ceilings though.

You can leave and re-enter just fine, unless you're in an airport in a different country which requires you to have a visa to enter.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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How does a cramped, artificial, non-functional airport solve the climate crisis?

Maybe by discouraging air travel? lol I dunno.. silly take

That is indeed silly. Why air travel and not say, video games, or fashion? Which one is sillier by your definition? And why are you here on HN when you can be somewhere else more productive? Lot of silly things human do, all affecting climate, why single out air travel?

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Maybe by discouraging air travel? lol I dunno.. silly take

That is indeed silly. Why air travel and not say, video games, or fashion? Which one is sillier by your definition? And why are you here on HN when you can be somewhere else more productive? Lot of silly things human do, all affecting climate, why single out air travel?

> Why air travel

Aviation accounts for 2.5% of global CO₂ emissions.

https://ourworldindata.org/global-aviation-emissions

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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> The PNW actually doesn't have these rules, although the rest of the country hasn't noticed yet. For all our warts, I continue to believe the PNW is the best area of the country to live. I'm obviously biased. But I've lived a lot of places and I keep coming back here.

I mean to each their own. The PNW is good for certain types of people: those who love nature, are less urban, who are more introverted, less interested in high culture. I’ve also lived in many parts of the country and Canada, and the PNW has been the least favorite for me.

You know there are cities in the PNW, right? And I kinda, sorta want to know what your bar is for 'high culture.'

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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I mean to each their own. The PNW is good for certain types of people: those who love nature, are less urban, who are more introverted, less interested in high culture. I’ve also lived in many parts of the country and Canada, and the PNW has been the least favorite for me.

You know there are cities in the PNW, right? And I kinda, sorta want to know what your bar is for 'high culture.'

I live in the biggest one in PNW and it still feels super small. A friend who moved here from SF (a relatively small city itself) and was surprised how small Seattle feels, even in comparison to SF -- he was wondering where 3 quarters of city disappeared to.

I'm thinking strong writing communities, world-class art museums (Portland Art Museum is good, while Seattle Art Museum is not so well funded compared to the east coast -- our billionaires don't care for art), great universities with top non-professional programs (UW is really good, but is not an elite college), etc. The food scene here is also not great -- it's got pockets of good eats, but in general not a foodie city -- nothing is here among the best. There are too many eat-to-live rather than live-to-eat types. (granted, Portland has a much better food scene — especially Thai and food carts —than Seattle, but it's not super diverse compared to most big cities like NYC or Chicago).

Even in tech, it’s pretty much a company town. Most people work for the few big names. Someone from Silicon Valley who lives here now told me Seattle has tech but has not really a strong startup ecosystem because most people are self selected corporate types (all of top 10 market cap tech companies are here, either HQ or branch). People who come to Seattle here mostly come to draw big tech salaries and be comfortable, not to change the world. Apart from a few people at the top of their fields, there is no sense of hunger here, not like NYC or LA or SF where people take risks to go there to make it big.

Like I said, it works for many folks, but if you're used to NYC and Chicago (or even SF), there's a lot that's missing.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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You know there are cities in the PNW, right? And I kinda, sorta want to know what your bar is for 'high culture.'

I live in the biggest one in PNW and it still feels super small. A friend who moved here from SF (a relatively small city itself) and was surprised how small Seattle feels, even in comparison to SF -- he was wondering where 3 quarters of city disappeared to. I'm thinking strong writing communities, world-class art museums (Portland Art Museum is good, while Seattle Art Museum is not so well funded compared to the eas…

Thanks for the detailed reply, you have good points. I have a different conclusion, but I respect yours.
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