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Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts

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Re: Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts

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I would argue that the main benefit of democracy is not electing "the right people" by a free and fair election, but by having a mechanism to remove bad leaders without violence. So a propaganda machine influencing elections is not ideal, but if it results in bad leaders, then that will become obvious to people at some point and they will vote them out. Elections will always have some random factors. Not everyone is…

Rarely you find a country where a president can be removed without violence.

Re: Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts

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How did they rig the election? Did they count tiktok users for the vote? Did they somehow use tiktok users to count to votes? Or maybe blackmail the vote counters? Oh wait, they used a disinformation campaign. So nothing was actually rigged.

Re: Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which isn't the same thing as the USA, we just let millions of bots onto our platforms to spread any stories those bots like.

In USA this is called “freedom of speech” :)

Yes but you must see the slippery slope we're on and we have no antidote for.

Re: Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts

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TikTok is rife with russian sock puppet accounts run by trolls that try and persuade people. Look at any of the political posts and then check out the accounts posting pro-red and anti-blue sentiments. There is a clear pattern to their accounts.

that’s my instagram

Re: Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts

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post #43

I would argue that the main benefit of democracy is not electing "the right people" by a free and fair election, but by having a mechanism to remove bad leaders without violence. So a propaganda machine influencing elections is not ideal, but if it results in bad leaders, then that will become obvious to people at some point and they will vote them out. Elections will always have some random factors. Not everyone is…

Rarely you find a country where a president can be removed without violence.

I mean, technically, the US does it every four years. At least, it used to. But that was just a blip in the historical record. We'll see what happens in four years from now to see which way the trend moves. Here's hoping it was truly a blip and not the start of a trend

Re: Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts

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TikTok is rife with russian sock puppet accounts run by trolls that try and persuade people. Look at any of the political posts and then check out the accounts posting pro-red and anti-blue sentiments. There is a clear pattern to their accounts.

We have to be careful, it cuts the other way too. Part of the propaganda is also showing extreme left content AND extreme right. The goal is not pushing left or right, the goal is divisiveness.

That's true to an extent, but the trend is definitely leaning towards one side more than the other. I'm pretty sure that's just because of where the traction leads the algos to push the bots. Is one side more susceptible than the other is a question for a different thread, but I don't know how to attempt to learn the answer without fanning the flames of either side.

Re: Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts

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The linked article is a bit hyperbolic but the news covered pretty widely. "Rigged" might not be the right term, but pretty coordinated interference seems to have occurred. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-concerned-about-pote... https://archive.is/0MJ6X https://www.politico.eu/article/tiktok-removed-3-influence-c...

If one side pushes an online agenda to the point that it affects the coverage of publication apps/sites by intent of the ones pushing the agenda, then yes, it qualifies as rigging. It doesn't need to be something like issuing number 2 pencils to the people registered to your party while issuing non-number 2 pencils to everyone else so the votes are misread, or having Hugo Chavez' personal programmers change the code of the voting machines. If you can change the "heart & minds" of someone with disinformation, that's like the perfect rigging effort.

Re: Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts

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Is “propaganda” rigging? As of late, whenever someone doesn’t like the result of an election “rigging” is an adequate term.

>Is “propaganda” rigging?

The propagation of the propaganda can be rigging. Every side has propaganda, so I'm not sure what your intent of scare quotes was meant to do. If you can saturate a publishing platform with the use of fake accounts so that your "propaganda" is pushed by the platform's algorithms in an "unnatural" way, then that's pretty much the definition of rigging.

Re: Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts

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They didn’t rig an election — at least not based on the description in the article. They campaigned for a candidate using underhanded tactics.

Illegal tactics, it sounds like. Elections have rules. Breaking them to give someone an advantage is rigging it, no?

It's not like they made the dead vote. They just used an unregulated vector of appealing to the electorate in a better way than the opponent did. I'm not saying it's not not rigging, as that's definitely the intent, but let's not turn a blind eye to what is an obvious thing
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