I would argue that the main benefit of democracy is not electing "the right people" by a free and fair election, but by having a mechanism to remove bad leaders without violence. So a propaganda machine influencing elections is not ideal, but if it results in bad leaders, then that will become obvious to people at some point and they will vote them out. Elections will always have some random factors. Not everyone is…
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#62You gotta step up your game boys.
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#65TikTok is rife with russian sock puppet accounts run by trolls that try and persuade people. Look at any of the political posts and then check out the accounts posting pro-red and anti-blue sentiments. There is a clear pattern to their accounts.
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#66I would argue that the main benefit of democracy is not electing "the right people" by a free and fair election, but by having a mechanism to remove bad leaders without violence. So a propaganda machine influencing elections is not ideal, but if it results in bad leaders, then that will become obvious to people at some point and they will vote them out. Elections will always have some random factors. Not everyone is…
Rarely you find a country where a president can be removed without violence.
Re: Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts
#67TikTok is rife with russian sock puppet accounts run by trolls that try and persuade people. Look at any of the political posts and then check out the accounts posting pro-red and anti-blue sentiments. There is a clear pattern to their accounts.
We have to be careful, it cuts the other way too. Part of the propaganda is also showing extreme left content AND extreme right. The goal is not pushing left or right, the goal is divisiveness.
Re: Russia and China rigged Romanian Elections using 10M fake TikTok accounts
#68The linked article is a bit hyperbolic but the news covered pretty widely. "Rigged" might not be the right term, but pretty coordinated interference seems to have occurred. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-concerned-about-pote... https://archive.is/0MJ6X https://www.politico.eu/article/tiktok-removed-3-influence-c...
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#69Is “propaganda” rigging? As of late, whenever someone doesn’t like the result of an election “rigging” is an adequate term.
The propagation of the propaganda can be rigging. Every side has propaganda, so I'm not sure what your intent of scare quotes was meant to do. If you can saturate a publishing platform with the use of fake accounts so that your "propaganda" is pushed by the platform's algorithms in an "unnatural" way, then that's pretty much the definition of rigging.
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#70They didn’t rig an election — at least not based on the description in the article. They campaigned for a candidate using underhanded tactics.
Illegal tactics, it sounds like. Elections have rules. Breaking them to give someone an advantage is rigging it, no?