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Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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It's mostly not rational. For instance, much of the conversation over the last day has been about Anthem pushing back on anesthesiology pay on the East Coast. That's people angry about their insurers working to make surgeries cost less by employing the literal guideline Medicare uses, and yet people online were overtly suggesting Anthem's CEO be murdered over it. Incoherent. This won't win me any points in this parti…

The notion that the providers are the ones sucking up all the money in the healthcare industry is certainly... novel. The majority of people in this particular industry have nothing to do with actually providing health care, just as the majority of employees at a major university have never stood in front of a blackboard.

If you look, you can find pie charts that make the point I'm making directly, so no, I don't think it's novel.

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I think it is the most disgusted I have been with a broad swath of the public in a long time. I dont think anything productive will come of it.

The trouble is that nothing productive was going to come of anything else, either. That’s where these reactions come from.

Yes, there is a lot of frustrations. Voters disagree on what they want. That does not justify people to start shooting people when they dont get their way.

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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> We have a system of laws and courts to decide what is criminal. Good when it works, but what happens when it fails?

yeah, blood in the street and mass death and destruction. Everyone killing everyone.

So, what do you propose to do to fix it? I don't think scolding people on HN is going to accomplish much.

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Political operative here. If you're wondering why healthcare reform has been so hard to get and so piecemeal, even though most Americans want it, the big reasons are: 1) any reform has to get past the Senate, and the Senate gives a lot of extra weight to states with conservative electorates. In 2009, this meant the pivotal Senators were right-wing Blue Dogs, an independent (Lieberman), and a former Republican (Specte…

The majority of Americans believe the Federal government should provide health care [1][2].

The current Democratic Party is essentially "Republican Lite", Republican with a happy face on it. Democrats as a whole are more interested in defeating progressives and leftists than they are in defeating Republicans.

[1]: https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-...

[2]: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/351928-poll-majority-s...

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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The trouble is that nothing productive was going to come of anything else, either. That’s where these reactions come from.

Yes, there is a lot of frustrations. Voters disagree on what they want. That does not justify people to start shooting people when they dont get their way.

The thing you don’t like is that the voters do agree they want this, though.

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

#86
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Is it? Where do you see the boundaries here?

Polls consistently show the public supports Democrats more than Republicans on healthcare policy, even as they trust Republicans more on other issues like inflation and immigration https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

Right, I'm a pretty engaged Democrat, but I'm asking: what reforms do you think are within the boundaries of acceptable to the median voter? Clearly single-payer is not. It couldn't even survive in Vermont.

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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>What I do find disappointing is the lack of concern This is (was) the CEO of the largest health insurer in the country which has shown a lack of concern for paying out insurance or securing data both private and medical. Their data leak this year is second only to National Public Data's leak (also this year) of practically every single SSN on the planet and arguably worse because their leak also contains medical dat…

> this guy is also about the most unsympathizable man in the country. There's no way that is true. It's only remotely possibly true if you're only talking about people who at least nominally obey the rules and laws of society. You don't actually think that he was worse than a murderer, or a rapist, or a child abuser, of which we have many, many thousands in this country.

Our healthcare system literally shaves ~5 years of lifespan off of the country as a whole. Illegal denial of claims by his company almost certainly kill hundreds of thousands a year.

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Health "insurance" companies in the US are not actually, primarily insurers. For the most part, they are not in the business of insuring rare events. Maybe they were primarily in the insurance business at some point in the past, but today they are mainly in the business of entrenching themselves in the middle of all interactions between patients, doctors, and hospitals, and extracting rents from all of them. Health "…

Accurate. They are literally middle men taking a cut without offering anything to the process. Switch to single payer, dump the middlemen, and have our taxes pay for essential services (keeping us alive and healthy). Seems simple enough but…

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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post #71

Health "insurance" companies in the US are not actually, primarily insurers. For the most part, they are not in the business of insuring rare events. Maybe they were primarily in the insurance business at some point in the past, but today they are mainly in the business of entrenching themselves in the middle of all interactions between patients, doctors, and hospitals, and extracting rents from all of them. Health "…

Literally the same thing is true of health care providers, which is why we have artificially constrained supply of physicians, sky-high delivery of procedures other countries don't routinely do, and integer multiple compensation across the board for practitioners.

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post #71

Health "insurance" companies in the US are not actually, primarily insurers. For the most part, they are not in the business of insuring rare events. Maybe they were primarily in the insurance business at some point in the past, but today they are mainly in the business of entrenching themselves in the middle of all interactions between patients, doctors, and hospitals, and extracting rents from all of them. Health "…

Accurate. They are literally middle men taking a cut without offering anything to the process. Switch to single payer, dump the middlemen, and have our taxes pay for essential services (keeping us alive and healthy). Seems simple enough but…

But literally every state in the country disagrees with you and so it's not going to happen.
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