My ancient MacBook air is also working perfectly well except for the lack of OS support. I finally got a newer model this weekend and my wife asked me what new features the new one had, and I struggled to explain that it had no new features (useful to me) really, except OS updates.
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"Just" is a fine word to use when a solution is not technically complicated, and it's important that people with technical understanding express that it really is "just" that simple. That way, if the reason they don't do that is that they and their business partners don't want to, citizens know it's reasonable to ask their governments to make those companies release driver/firmware source code and/or hardware documen…
Upstreaming stuff is complicated. You can't just throw your barely working driver over the wall at Linus. You have to put effort into it, and keep putting effort into it.
Sure, if you're writing barely working software to start, but then you'll probably have to put in more effort to maintain a fork for whatever support period you do offer.
Though for the purposes of extending the useful life of a product, throwing it over the wall would be a huge improvement. Publish your garbage code and whatever documentation you have, and people can pick it up themselves, which you already find people doing today but with the added barrier of having to reverse engineer it.
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You’re lucky not using a bank app that enforce minimum version check.
This comes off a little bit like, "You're lucky not paying for streaming services that cost 60 bucks a month." You, too, can be someone who doesn't use these things. It doesn't take luck.
I can’t buy anything online without the bank app, I need it to pay my phone bill, my electricity bill and many other things. Each time it sends verification code to the phone through the app.
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The problem with the 13 mini is it's lack of touchid. it's fine otherwise and I'd pick one up in a heartbeat if it did, but it doesn't, so I won't. really waiting to see how the SE4 goes. I'm. envious of some of android's devices and features, the main thing keeping me locked into apple's ecosystem is iMessage.
Agree, Touch ID is the one thing I still really miss from the SE. Face ID is usually not an issue, but there are always cases that result in more friction than with Touch ID. Sometimes you don't quite catch it at the right angle (and sometimes it sees you when you're not even looking), and other times you just don't quite have enough fave visible for it to work (for me usually when I'm doomscrolling in bed with my fa…
Face ID is far better for me than touch id.
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#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
You must not have hard water. We get a >$20 mr. coffee every year or so. They'd likely last longer if we cleaned them more often because if you wait too long, it doesn't seem to help.
> every year or so Every year ? Good lord what do you do to those things. I've lived in hard water areas my whole life and have never experienced people churning through coffee machines that fast. > They'd likely last longer if we cleaned them more often So yeah, just put some vinegar through them every now and then and they'll be fine and last a decade. Take care of it and it'll last you a long time. If they're burn…
Yeah, it's more about the fact that my wife doesn't like running vinegar through because she swears you can still taste it later. A year's worth of the liquid coffee pot descaler costs as much as a new pot. Looking on amazon, it does look like you can get little powder packets affordably though, so I might look into that.
It's not always because of scale though, if you break a carafe, a replacement costs as much as a whole new pot. If the little spring in the basket that interacts with the carafe breaks, there didn't used to be a replacement, but looks like amazon carries a generic now.
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And Apple did this for two generations and not enough of people one bought it but it is still available used . https://www.apple.com/by/iphone-12/specs/ (12 mini) https://support.apple.com/en-us/111873 I would recommend to return the phone and get the 13 mini which should last awhile
If I get a 13 mini today, updates will last 3 years. That is not much for what it is still a fairly expensive phone
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Why can't your dad keep using his existing computer? Sure, if you make your living on the computer the new laptops are great. But if he's just checking email, photos, etc - I don't know why his computer needs to become a paperweight
Specifically because in each case, no updateable web browser was available any longer. To have your main machine increasingly unable to render web pages, and to suffer growing security vulnerabilities, pretty much bricks the machine for any purpose other than a scanning workstation, etc.
Fair :) I was overlooking that this latest computer could be an older intel machine that didn't receive the latest OS, thus won't still still have years of security only updates.
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I'm typing this on my 5-year old Samsung A30 that, aside from a screen crack I take full responsibility for, is still in perfect working conditions. I never encountered any app that refuses to install despite my device being stuck on Android 11. The only reason this sometimes happen is because of geofencing, or apps built for Pixel phones. I only started to look for acquiring a new device because telecom operators ar…
Just out of curiosity (I’m not familiar with the current state of android software support) does your phone still get security updates and, assuming it does, how much longer do you expect them to continue?
I think with Apple it's all or nothing. For Android it stops gradually: first you stop receiving OS updates, then system updates and after a while also security updates [1] and then finally maybe also apps.
[1] although they have in past updated very old phones when something really bad has happened.
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#299What is to me frustrating is how artificial these lifecycles feel. Even more so on Android side. Just upstream your drivers and "support" should be pretty much free.
Recently upgraded to a Pixel 8 from a different aarch64 phone (OnePlus Nord N100) and discovered that I can't run 32-bit apps anymore :(
How was your experience with the Nord?
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#300> As far as I can tell Apple has the longest support lifetime of 6 years, followed closely by Samsung with 4 years of major Android OS upgrades and 5 years of security updates. Anecdote of Samsung support from a few years ago on a decidedly-not-flagship phone (just straight-up copying from a comment I wrote a couple of years ago—): In April 2019, I needed to rapidly obtain a device, and purchased a Samsung Galaxy J1…
J1 was introduced in February 2015, and cost not much more than a burner phone. I am surprised you could buy one in 2019.
Anyway, the Samsung update program did not exist in 2015.