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Re: Forced to upgrade

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Post by taeric »

StressedDev wrote: post #178
taeric wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not clear where that read comes from? There is a single mention of "veritable tablets" in this post, and I'm not at all seeing this backed up with any evidence of latent demand?

The author appears to be someone who gets angry or very annoyed when he does not get his way. The author may also just not like change. Basically, he is upset he had to buy a new phone after 6 years and the new phone was different from his old phone. I do not think his behavior is productive or helpful.

Which, to be fair and clear, there is nothing wrong with getting upset about having to upgrade. Nothing wrong with complaining. Sometimes, can probably be good?

I'm just confused as this article doesn't even try to present this as a latent demand from others. Such that I don't understand the opening comment. Reminds me hearing folks complain about bad pockets in formal wear. Is largely a true statement, but I think it is also clear that the demand does not exist for it. Despite how vocal some people can be.

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Post by fragmede »

sunrunner wrote: post #186
zitterbewegung wrote: post #131

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And Apple did this for two generations and not enough of people one bought it but it is still available used . https://www.apple.com/by/iphone-12/specs/ (12 mini) https://support.apple.com/en-us/111873 I would recommend to return the phone and get the 13 mini which should last awhile

+1 for the 13 mini if form factor is your primary concern (and given the sizes of even the 'small' mobile phone offerings of recent years I completely understand why that would be). I upgraded an eight year old SE (first generation) to an SE3 thinking it would be the obvious choice, then promptly replaced it with the 13 mini within a week (fortunately still available at the time). The difference is small on paper but…

The problem with the 13 mini is it's lack of touchid. it's fine otherwise and I'd pick one up in a heartbeat if it did, but it doesn't, so I won't. really waiting to see how the SE4 goes. I'm. envious of some of android's devices and features, the main thing keeping me locked into apple's ecosystem is iMessage.

Re: Forced to upgrade

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Post by fragmede »

yumraj wrote: post #164
gregoriol wrote: post #138

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The SE3 is good enough and not too big

I love SE3, had SE2 before it. I love the phone and the size, but I do NOT love the battery life.. It's manageable though.

I have https://iwalkmall.com/products/cute-portable-charger-4500mah to extend the battery life when I'm on the go

Re: Forced to upgrade

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Post by curun1r »

Hard_Space wrote: post #4

This also counts for desktop Macs. Twice in the last 20 years I have had to explain to my elderly Dad that even though his expensive Mac could last another thirty years, it's now a paperweight, or something to be 'repurposed'. I have wondered sometimes if hardware manufacturers actively seek out significant road-mapped hardware changes (such as Intel>ARM, etc., in case of Apple) in order to keep sales rolling in and…

As someone who just upgraded from an intel to M4, I feel this. But I do wish I had known about OpenCore [0]. Ironically, I learned about it while on a bit of YouTube binge of Mac videos in preparation for my new one arriving. As much as the ecosystem has moved on from Intel, I think I'll be able to keep using my old MBP for a while longer if I can keep it on the latest version of MacOS.

[0] https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

Re: Forced to upgrade

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Post by creer »

putzdown wrote: post #126

The main message I take from this story is that a decent quorum of consumers want Apple to offer a smaller phone in each generation. The OP seems not to have minded having to upgrade eventually, just not to a “virtual tablet.” I’ve heard others express the same desire.

And really "every other generation" would be pretty nice too. An actually small phone, actually supported for a few years (included in the guidelines for app writers and to remind web page designers that this exists). We could live with "every other generation".

That would be better than "Eh, we don't believe in it anyway" kind of reluctance.

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Post by immibis »

ndriscoll wrote: post #226
immibis wrote: post #122

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42038139

"Just" is a fine word to use when a solution is not technically complicated, and it's important that people with technical understanding express that it really is "just" that simple. That way, if the reason they don't do that is that they and their business partners don't want to, citizens know it's reasonable to ask their governments to make those companies release driver/firmware source code and/or hardware documen…

Upstreaming stuff is complicated. You can't just throw your barely working driver over the wall at Linus. You have to put effort into it, and keep putting effort into it.

Re: Forced to upgrade

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Post by immibis »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #142
immibis wrote: post #121

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The proprietary Nvidia driver works fine. Linux from this decade refuses to work with it. Linux broke it, not Nvidia.

Linux is very explicit (and always has been) about not having a stable driver API or ABI; if nvidia tries to target that unstable interface, they are absolutely responsible for the result.

If I upgrade Windows, and it breaks my line-of-business program, whose fault is it?

Hint: It's the one that changed.

Re: Forced to upgrade

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Post by immibis »

epistasis wrote: post #222
immibis wrote: post #114

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so let's stop unnecessary cars and unnecessary phones

The first step when doing optimization is to measure, so that one knows where efforts have significant results. I am arguing that our efforts should be in proportion to their payoff for environmental efforts as well. Or more precisely, we should spend our environmental efforts in ways that maximize their returns. Thus, here I am spending lots of time commenting on how a tiny minor change in driving habits will have b…

Urban planning in the US was a result of the oil lobby. It has nothing to do with the demands of residents except insofar as they were also brainwashed by the oil lobby.

Re: Forced to upgrade

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Post by epistasis »

keybored wrote: post #119
epistasis wrote: post #23

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That article is awfully short on estimating environmental impact. Other sources on the web say that, including 4 years of electricity usage, an iPhone's total carbon impact is ~175 pounds of CO2, or about 9 gallons of gasoline. Which is roughly 0.25% of emissions from driving a car the average amount for four years. Imperceptible changes to urban planning to shave off a few miles of driving would have a bigger impact…

> Imperceptible changes to urban planning to shave off a few miles of driving would have a bigger impact than doubling the lifetimes of mobile phones. Urban planning too obviously cannot be pinned on consumer choices. Which is why it would never become the locus of attention. I don’t know if you are right or wrong about this point. But nonetheless.

> cannot be pinned on consumer choices. Which is why it would never become the locus of attention.

Can you explain your reasoning here? I think you are saying that we focus all of our environmental action through the lens of consumer choice, which is something that I also think is true.

We can encourage the public to make better individual choices, but a far better approach is to change the system so that the default choice is the best choice.

But when it comes to phones, a lot of the policy action seems to be set on forcing companies to behave in a certain way, which IMHO is perfectly cromulent if the environmental payoff is proprotionate to the effort.

My focus has been on changing the attitudes towards policy changes that broaden the choices of individuals, to allow them to even choose a better path that is not currently available, because urban planning has banned walkable neighborhoods in nearly every part of every city.

Re: Forced to upgrade

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Post by epistasis »

immibis wrote: post #238
epistasis wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first step when doing optimization is to measure, so that one knows where efforts have significant results. I am arguing that our efforts should be in proportion to their payoff for environmental efforts as well. Or more precisely, we should spend our environmental efforts in ways that maximize their returns. Thus, here I am spending lots of time commenting on how a tiny minor change in driving habits will have b…

Urban planning in the US was a result of the oil lobby. It has nothing to do with the demands of residents except insofar as they were also brainwashed by the oil lobby.

It can't be limited to just the oil lobby, it was a general movement with lots of different proponents, not the least the car companies! In fact the car companies quite a bit more. But the urban planning establishment definitely adopted car-only infrastructure with gusto, without any direct oil or car money behind it.
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