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Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by myko »

margalabargala wrote: post #108
xnx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the squealing carcass called Gemini Have you used Gemini? It seems every bit as good as ChatGPT.

Something Gemini utterly fails at compared to ChatGPT and Claude is its willingness to contradict you if you are wrong and it is correct. Ask any of the three models basic facts and they'll answer correctly. If you tell ChatGPT or Claude Sonnet they are incorrect, they will push back, if they really think they are right. Gemini will fall over itself to agree with you that it's terribly sorry, you are right, the sky i…

I just tried the sky is green example and Gemini told me that no, the sky is typically blue, even when I tried to get it to admit that it is green.

It did tell me the sky can appear green sometimes and linked this: https://baronweather.com/extreme-weather/its-not-easy-being-...

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by xnx »

random3 wrote: post #65
xnx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the squealing carcass called Gemini Have you used Gemini? It seems every bit as good as ChatGPT.

have you used ChatGPT?

Yes. I had a subscription, but cancelled it when I got access to Gemini. ChatGPT may be better for some queries, but definitely not $25/month better to me.

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by moralestapia »

tartoran wrote: post #60
moralestapia wrote: post #22

Not even a month ago HN was discussing Ben Affleck's take on actors and AI, somehow taking a side with him and arguing how the tech "it's just not there, etc...". I'll keep my stance, give it two years and very realistic movies, with plot and everything, will be generated on demand.

Ai can't generate images without awkward hallucinations yet. From that to movies that make sense to movies that people would want to watch (comparable to feature films) beyond the initial curiosity factor is a long way, if there is one.

ChatGPT (no Sora, no World Generation, etc...) was released two years ago almost to the date.

What you're talking about is a minor jump from the SOTA, much smaller than what we've already see in these two years.

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by talldayo »

Havoc wrote: post #91
talldayo wrote: post #73

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I honestly disagree. Google is the only FAANG member that has made AI features I actually consider helpful. Furthermore, I think their strategy is heads-and-shoulders above Microsoft and Apple, who are both desperately paying other businesses to do the "AI stuff" for them. Google is at least doing it in-house, and I don't feel at all like they're behind OpenAI's integrations.

Unless you’re a fan of glue pizzas and daily rock eating I’m not sure I’d consider their strategy head and shoulders above rest

Well shit, if Google's strategy was dreamed up by glue eaters then I'd hate to see the sorry sod that greenlit OpenAI's strategy. Something tells me a diet of glue and rocks wouldn't be enough to hallucinate something as stupid as "AGI" and market it to the world.

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by miltonlost »

foolfoolz wrote: post #142
erulabs wrote: post #128

It’s interesting to me that we continue to see such pressure on video and world generation, despite the fact that for years now we’ve gotten games and movies that have beautiful worlds filled with lousy, limited, poorly written stories. Star Wars movies have looked phenomenal for a decade, full of bland stories we’ve all heard a thousand times. Are there any game developers working on infinite story games? I don’t ca…

we have reliable infinite story generation in PvP multiplayer. if the matchup is fair, every game can be different and exciting. see chess

is PvP multiplayer considered a "story"? Is a football game a "story"? I guess if all you consider for story is "things happen", then a PvP match can be a story, but that's stretching what I would consider "story" for a game. That is the story of the match, but it's not in and of itself a plot story.

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by ec109685 »

erulabs wrote: post #128

It’s interesting to me that we continue to see such pressure on video and world generation, despite the fact that for years now we’ve gotten games and movies that have beautiful worlds filled with lousy, limited, poorly written stories. Star Wars movies have looked phenomenal for a decade, full of bland stories we’ve all heard a thousand times. Are there any game developers working on infinite story games? I don’t ca…

Given we have engines that can render complex 3d worlds, can maintain consistency far longer than a minute and simulate physics accurately, why put all that burden on a GenAI world generator like this?

It seems like it’d be more useful to have the model generate the raw artifacts, world map, etc. and let the engine do the actual rendering.

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by 93po »

miltonlost wrote: post #145
erulabs wrote: post #128

It’s interesting to me that we continue to see such pressure on video and world generation, despite the fact that for years now we’ve gotten games and movies that have beautiful worlds filled with lousy, limited, poorly written stories. Star Wars movies have looked phenomenal for a decade, full of bland stories we’ve all heard a thousand times. Are there any game developers working on infinite story games? I don’t ca…

> I want a Minecraft that tells intriguing stories with infinite quest generation. Procedural infinite world gen recharged gaming, where is the procedural infinite story generation? You're not gonna get new intriguing stories from AI which only regurgitates what it's stolen. You're going to get a themeless morass without intention. I also find it amusing how your example to Siri uses one of the oldest pieces of liter…

if you do basic chatgpt prompts in late 2024 asking for dynamic story telling, sure, you'll get what you said. it's super dismissive to think that wont get better over time, or that even with the tools today, that you can't get dynamic and interesting stories out of it if you provide it with the proper framework

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by sundarurfriend »

margalabargala wrote: post #108
xnx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the squealing carcass called Gemini Have you used Gemini? It seems every bit as good as ChatGPT.

Something Gemini utterly fails at compared to ChatGPT and Claude is its willingness to contradict you if you are wrong and it is correct. Ask any of the three models basic facts and they'll answer correctly. If you tell ChatGPT or Claude Sonnet they are incorrect, they will push back, if they really think they are right. Gemini will fall over itself to agree with you that it's terribly sorry, you are right, the sky i…

There may (or may not) be a difference in degree in how much they do it, but ChatGPT absolutely has the same issue. I've resorted to a framing of "Alice thinks X; Bob thinks not X; what do you think" when talking to ChatGPT, because asking "is X correct" biases it highly towards saying it is, when X is something complex and intricate.

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by talldayo »

tsunamifury wrote: post #93
justlikereddit wrote: post #30

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This is such a silly and spoiled take. I've worked at many companies, and very very very few do this level of R&D and even less actually apply it. What a delusional comment.

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Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by wongarsu »

vessenes wrote: post #4

This is.. super impressive. I'd like to know how large this model is. I note that the first thing they have it do is talk to agents who can control the world gen; geez - even robots get to play video games while we work. That said; I cannot find any: - architecture explanation - code - technical details - API access information Feels very DeepMind / 2015, and that's a bummer. I think the point of the "we have no moat…

We already knew it's possible from AI minecraft (https://oasis.decart.ai). This is just a more impressive version of that, trained on a wider range of games and with more context frames (Oasis has about a second of context, this one a minute). Even the architecture seems to be about the same.

Had they released this two months earlier it would have been incredibly impressive. Now it's still cool and inspiring, but no longer as ground breaking. It's the cooler version that doesn't come with a demo or any hope of actually trying it out.

And with the things we know from Oasis's demo, the agent-training use case the post tries to sell for Genie 2 is a hard sell. Any attempt to train an agent on such a world would likely look like an AI Minecraft speedrun: generate enough misleading context frames to trick the AI into generating what you want

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