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Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by jjice »

I don't understand this space very well, but this seems incredible.

Something I find interesting about generative AI is how it adds a huge layer of flexibility, but at the cost of lots of computation, while a very narrow set of constraints (a traditional program) is comparatively incredibly efficient.

If someone spent a ton of time building out something simple in Unity, they could get the same thing running with a small fraction of the computation, but this has seemingly infinite flexibility based on so little and that's just incredible.

The reason I mention it is because I'm interested in where we end up using these. Will traditional programming be used for most "production" workloads with gen AI being used to aid in the prototyping and development of those traditional programs, or will we get to the point where our gen AI is the primary driver of software?

I assume that concrete code will always be faster and the best way to have deterministic results, but I really have to idea how to conceptualize what the future looks like now.

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by vessenes »

This is.. super impressive. I'd like to know how large this model is. I note that the first thing they have it do is talk to agents who can control the world gen; geez - even robots get to play video games while we work.

That said; I cannot find any:

- architecture explanation

- code

- technical details

- API access information

Feels very DeepMind / 2015, and that's a bummer. I think the point of the "we have no moat" email has been taken to heart at Google, and they continue to be on the path of great demos, bleh product launches two years later, and no open access in the interim.

That said, just knowing this is possible - world navigation based on a photo and a text description with up to a minute of held context -- is amazing, and I believe will inspire some groups out there to put out open versions.

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by Retric »

jjice wrote: post #2

I don't understand this space very well, but this seems incredible. Something I find interesting about generative AI is how it adds a huge layer of flexibility, but at the cost of lots of computation, while a very narrow set of constraints (a traditional program) is comparatively incredibly efficient. If someone spent a ton of time building out something simple in Unity, they could get the same thing running with a s…

Longer term computation isn’t really the limiting factor for generative AI, it’s training data. Generative AI is like Google search before the web responded to their search engine existing. There’s a huge quantity of high quality training data which nobody had any reason to pollute ready for the scrapping.

But modern search is hampered by people responding to algorithmic indexes. Algorithms responding to metadata without directly evaluating content enabled a world of SEO and low quality websites suddenly being discoverable as long as they narrow their focus enough.

So longer term it’s going to be an arms race between the output of Generative AI and people trying to keep updating their models. In 20 years people will get much better at using these tools, but the tools themselves may be less useful. I wouldn’t be surprised if eventually someone sneaks advertising into the output of someone else’s model etc.

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by ilaksh »

me551ah wrote: post #3

So when I can try this?

It's Google so I assume never. No model release, no product, no API, no detailed paper.

There was another quite similar model from a different group within the last month or so. I can't remember if they released any weights or anything or the name of it. But it was the same concept.

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