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Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

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I had "temporarily perfect" pitch when I was younger, especially when I was regularly playing the cello. I could pick up my cello and tune it without a reference, and I could recognize a note or key that was being played. I kind of took it for granted. Then one year my family went on a long car trip for a few weeks -- without the cello or even a radio since our car didn't have one -- and when we came home, my pitch w…

I can also do this, don't have perfect pitch, was also a cello player, and have a guess.

Instruments have fairly unique timbres at different pitches, and our brain can pattern match that more effectively than pitch itself. So, you can actually "burn in" the correct timbre, which makes it easier to find. Since I was so used to an A reference note for tuning, I got to where I could get pretty close.

Years later, I saw this video, with someone who seems to have brute forced it to approximate perfect pitch using a similar method: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT22zqg0jvE

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

#32

As expected, another one of the many that conflates well trained relative pitch with absolute. Perfect pitch, for me, was an incredibly smooth and long learning curve. For each new instrument or texture I learned, I went from only hearing relative intervals, to being able to say, “this piece is probably in D major”, to being able to trace along the exact notes of the melody and bass lines, to being able to instantly…

So, I've got perfect pitch, and its not quite that black and white. For context, I can do all the regular perfect pitch superpowers (except for door rattles, which don't really rattle with a single tone), and have had it from a young age. When I first remember having it, I could only reliably recognise an A (and would have to count upwards to other notes), but unambiguously meet any definition as an adult

Many things that are considered perfect pitch skills take practice, and the OP is absolutely correct in that certain timbres are easier to classify than others. As a kid I would have had a harder time telling you the pitches if two woodwind instruments were playing a chord, vs two stringed instruments, due to familiarity. Its something you tend to work on accidentally as a background process as a musician

Much of perfect pitch discrimination is an active process though, eg being able to split up a song into its constituent parts and pick out the notes of each line is something you have to learn. All perfect pitch does is give you the ability to perform that discrimination, but anything more than that is a skill. For things that people consider to be perfect pitch skills (tone classification in a cluster), there absolutely are good days and bad days

Lots of pitches in nature aren't especially clean - nor are musical instruments, which is what makes them of varying ease to classify when you're unfamiliar. There are harmonics that can be make it hard to classify, or the central tone can be washed out in noise or similar tones. Its like trying to identify the dominant frequency in white noise, it takes practice

Its likely that OP had perfect pitch as a kid (demonstrating pitch classification), and simply never really capitalised on it mentally to develop it. Because you're right in that no adult has ever experimentally been demonstrated to have learnt this, even with extensive training and musical experience

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

#33
I accidentally trained myself by playing with SimTunes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimTunes> a lot as a kid. But I think it trained me to be slightly flat. Electronically perfect notes sound wrong, and I tune things down when that's an option. I wish I cared enough to try running SimTunes today and see if A was 440 Hz or not.

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

#34

I suppose I have perfect pitch, in that I can more often than not: * aurally identify key signatures * aurally identify chords * sing a given note on command It wasn't until I was into my early twenties that I could do this. For me, the single biggest stepping stone was building the connection between what I could hear in my head from a song that I remember clearly with the underlying music theory. Specifically, buil…

Its worth noting that adults can learn something called pseudo absolute pitch, which sounds similar to what you're describing. The difference (which you're also describing) is that it requires reinforcement, and is a bit less accurate than having perfect pitch

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

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post #24

I don't have perfect pitch, but I basically have a 440Hz sine embedded in my brain which I can use for tuning stuff and figure out the rest through relative pitch. Perfect pitch sounds actually extremely distracting as a listener...

In my city we tune to A=441 I have no idea why but when in Rome...

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

#37
Someone introduce the author to microtunings. there is a whole - much more harmonic - world out there. Equal temperment is a harmonic disaster and it is time to end it. (there are advantages to equal temperment but harmony is lost)

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

#38

I suppose I have perfect pitch, in that I can more often than not: * aurally identify key signatures * aurally identify chords * sing a given note on command It wasn't until I was into my early twenties that I could do this. For me, the single biggest stepping stone was building the connection between what I could hear in my head from a song that I remember clearly with the underlying music theory. Specifically, buil…

Uhh.... What? There's no guarantee that the song you hear ringing in your head after a certain time has passed is going to be in the original key, in fact there's a very good chance (depending on your range) that you'll end up subtly transposing it to a different key when you try singing it in the shower apropos of nothing.

This is by no means a guaranteed method to learn perfect pitch.

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

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post #18

Not quite music, but I had quite the adventure learning pitch perception as it applies to languages. As an adult I learnt to speak Japanese. Japanese has a pitch accent that is used to discriminate certain words. For example 箸 (chopsticks) and 橋(bridge) are both "hashi" but with a different pitch accent. Event though I spoke Japanese for years I couldn't hear the difference. With isolated words spoken slowly and care…

I think you could definitely do the same thing to learn relative pitch. In western music theory there's generally only 12 notes. And #1 and #12 are the same, an octave, which many people can recognize implicitly

Furthermore, while a piano might have 88 keys (still doable with practice) most actual music rarely jumps more than an octave or two.

Generally, music is also further restricted to a key/mode of 8 notes, again with 1 and 8 being the octave, which you probably already know

If I were to teach myself again, I would first find a reference for the intervals 1-8 in a major key and in a minor key. Or learn the full 12 at once if that's more sensible to you. For example the main theme from "Jaws" is a minor 2nd (2/12. Or the song for Happy Birthday (in the USA) starts with a major 2nd (3/12). I had a few more examples, but this Wikipedia article seems to have far better information than I could give you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interval_recognition

You could also just try to listen to music, possibly at half or quarter speed (easy to do on YouTube), and try to write down the notes, and checking your answers, I'm sure that could work.

Best of luck!!

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

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It should be noted that a lot of people mistake relative pitch for perfect pitch.

Perfect pitch means that I can sit down at a piano (or other instrument), play one random note, and you can instantly tell me what note that is. No preamble, no tuning yourself up, you can just do it.

Relative pitch is much more about recognizing intervals - a tritone versus a perfect fifth for example.

You'll find as was the case when synesthesia became the trendy fashion of the day that a lot of people like to believe that they possess perfect pitch when it's almost invariably relative pitch.

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