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Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

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Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

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I suppose I have perfect pitch, in that I can more often than not: * aurally identify key signatures * aurally identify chords * sing a given note on command It wasn't until I was into my early twenties that I could do this. For me, the single biggest stepping stone was building the connection between what I could hear in my head from a song that I remember clearly with the underlying music theory. Specifically, buil…

> A simple way to do this is to make playlists for a given key, which helps reinforce the sense of shared tonality across songs.

This is gold. I similarly maintain lists of melodies that prominently feature certain intervals.

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

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Or you could just take depakote[0]. [0]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3848041/

was waiting for the inevitable hdac inhibitor comment seeing as vorinostat was recently so often spruiked by a vested individual on reddit. to other readers, these are literally chemotherapy drugs that globally inhibit cell formation, albeit taken at much lower dosages than therapeutic.

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

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> By the end of freshman year, I had significantly expanded my musical tastes and unambiguously had perfect pitch… for piano only. I find it highly unlikely that this was due to identifying microtuning differences; I think the more convincing theory for instrument-specific perfect pitch is that one learns to recognize the timbres of the individual notes, not any minute variations in pitch. > Don’t learn a non-C instr…

Yeah, this advice doesn't hold up--even the OP mentions learning the clarinet, which is a B-flat instrument. I also play the clarinet and developed the same ability to detect each note by its timbre. I also think there is a kinesthetic element to each note--the way the instrument vibrates, the back-pressure or resistance you feel while playing, that becomes associated with the timbre the longer you play.

As a clarinet player myself, I think it's an instrument that's pretty unique in just how different the timbres of each note are, like Bb or an open G.

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

#24
I don't have perfect pitch, but I basically have a 440Hz sine embedded in my brain which I can use for tuning stuff and figure out the rest through relative pitch. Perfect pitch sounds actually extremely distracting as a listener...

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

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As expected, another one of the many that conflates well trained relative pitch with absolute.

Perfect pitch, for me, was an incredibly smooth and long learning curve. For each new instrument or texture I learned, I went from only hearing relative intervals, to being able to say, “this piece is probably in D major”, to being able to trace along the exact notes of the melody and bass lines, to being able to instantly lock onto notes when I wanted to. These weren’t discrete transitions either; I would have good days and bad days for recognizing pitches, and over time I would have more and more good days.

All this is indistinguishable from a person who has had received substantial ear training as is indeed the case with the author, and that is ofc commendable.

However AP is a completely different ability which largely boils down to at the very least being able to immediately [1] recognize the Hz aka note-name of any pitch-producing entity (keyboard/string/woodwind/brass instruments, toothbrush, drinking glass, car horn, airplane engines, door rattles etc.) with 100% success rate. There are even more strict definitions like being able to identify every single note of a specific cluster and there's variability of maximum number of notes each AP possessor is able to distinguish.

Also, short of old age and intoxication/sickness, the distinguishing ability is not affected i.e. no good or bad days.

All studies that attempted training any person past the infancy for this type of ability have failed and this probably includes even the notorious Valproate study [2].

I'm not saying this particular ability has no neuroscientific interest and I get the appeal of it being 'magical' however one can't help but sigh at how dreadfully disappointed so many musicians, some of them even very talented, feel for not possessing this. Maybe one could argue about it being a bit more important, not crucial though, in orchestral composition however the target audience feeling desperate to acquire it, which is perfomers of music, is definitely misdirected.

But even then, the article unintentionally presents a 'happy-ending' type of story; the author most likely definitely did not obtain AP ability but what they're describing is exactly what everyone who wants to have impeccable aural skills should strive for, and I'd wager there are many studying musicians that haven't developed their skills to the extent the author managed (and would greatly benefit from). Let's just don't perpetuate elitist obsolete conservatoire culture, which is largely where the AP possessor superiority comes from.

[1] https://i.imgur.com/7OefC0i.png

[2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3848041/

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

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I had "temporarily perfect" pitch when I was younger, especially when I was regularly playing the cello. I could pick up my cello and tune it without a reference, and I could recognize a note or key that was being played. I kind of took it for granted.

Then one year my family went on a long car trip for a few weeks -- without the cello or even a radio since our car didn't have one -- and when we came home, my pitch was gone. It took just a few days to get back, but I realize that I have some sort of short term memory for pitch but do not have perfect pitch. It's not something that I'm concerned about practicing or maintaining. I'm a jazz bassist today, and my pitch is good enough for picking things up by ear, and maintaining my intonation while playing.

I wonder if there's a "spectrum" of pitch ability, and also a spectrum of how readily different people can learn it.

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

#29

I suppose I have perfect pitch, in that I can more often than not: * aurally identify key signatures * aurally identify chords * sing a given note on command It wasn't until I was into my early twenties that I could do this. For me, the single biggest stepping stone was building the connection between what I could hear in my head from a song that I remember clearly with the underlying music theory. Specifically, buil…

I'd be happy to see any "songs all in the same key" type playlists if anyone wants to share one

I'm a programmer interested in music visualization and it would be handy to have a few of these

Re: Learn perfect pitch in 15 years

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I had "temporarily perfect" pitch when I was younger, especially when I was regularly playing the cello. I could pick up my cello and tune it without a reference, and I could recognize a note or key that was being played. I kind of took it for granted. Then one year my family went on a long car trip for a few weeks -- without the cello or even a radio since our car didn't have one -- and when we came home, my pitch w…

I've often heard people say that "true" perfect pitch can only be accomplished with synesthesia, but I have no idea if it's true. Back when I played clarinet, I had decent relative pitch and I could ballpark a B-flat tuning note if I thought hard enough. That was enough to work my way to an absolute pitch, but it took a while.

I always imagined the mental pathway for people with perfect pitch as being completely different from mine, but I could see it being a spectrum as well.

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