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Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by immibis »

ryukoposting wrote: post #287
atomic128 wrote: post #282

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What's the justification for this approach? Buy an old NUC with some cheap Celeron in it, install Hamachi if you need remote access, and it'll pay for itself in a couple months.

I understand Tailscale is the new Hamachi.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by rmbyrro »

themgt wrote: post #322

As a Hetzner bandwidth enjoyer affected by this, this is why ( HN cough ) multi-cloud/dedi k3s is great, because if you get rug pulled you just migrate to another provider with better prices. That said, $1/TB for bandwidth overage seems pretty fair. I empathize with the complaining but if the new price is such a ripoff everyone should be recommending what cloud VM provider they're migrating to for a better deal.

The OVH Eco-line (Kimsufi, So You Start..) are incredibly good and affordable. I have a few beefy servers, which I use to create my own VPS service on top of Proxmox. I'm not a sysadm and it's still simple to setup and maintain.

Eco is clever, because they reuse good hardware pieces to assemble new servers, instead of throwing out as garbage...

Have been a very happy user with several servers for quite some time.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by HelloNurse »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #568
danielovichdk wrote: post #566

While all the guesswork ? They explain clearly why this is happening. And it seems fair. "With the new tariff structure, we want to make conditions for our customers around the world as fair as possible. To do that, we will calculate our prices based on local conditions in Europe, Singapore, and the USA. Until this change, customers who have used fewer resources have covered the costs, in a way, for other customers w…

It doesn't seem so fair if you didn't know that in advance. I don't do research on what actual costs a provider I sign up with has, and whether a product might be subsidized in some way. If I relied on those 20TB a month I now got a 100 to 400% price increase. I really like hetzner and their service quality, but that does leave a bad taste... I seems like they badly miscalculated.

They are telling in advance: changes are effective from February for old contracts.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by conradfr »

consumer451 wrote: post #366
fabian2k wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Hetzner you rent actual physical servers. There is nothing virtualized there, it's real hardware without abstractions.

Thanks, I guess what I meant to ask is that is it normal for people to virtualize their own dedicated server these days by default? Would this be a best practice to avoid hosting vendor lock-in?

Sure, I use CapRover on mine.

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Post by n144q »

NicoHarms wrote: post #403
that_guy_iain wrote: post #376

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Because they're so cheap they have to worry about spammers and other sorts of abuse. It's more cost effective for them to refuse dodgy-looking accounts. The big question is, were you using real information or did you put in fake info? They're still in business because they're cheap and pretty reliable. But being cheap means there are things you can't get with them but can with others. For example, you can't pre-pay f…

You can actually pre-pay them. Under the transactions section in your account, it says: “If you make advance payments by bank transfer to our bank account, the amount will be posted as a credit on your account. We will automatically deduct this credit on your account when we process future invoices.”

In order to pre-pay, you need to have an account first.

Many people didn't even get to the point where they can log in.

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Post by jitbit »

fastily wrote: post #392
themgt wrote: post #322

As a Hetzner bandwidth enjoyer affected by this, this is why ( HN cough ) multi-cloud/dedi k3s is great, because if you get rug pulled you just migrate to another provider with better prices. That said, $1/TB for bandwidth overage seems pretty fair. I empathize with the complaining but if the new price is such a ripoff everyone should be recommending what cloud VM provider they're migrating to for a better deal.

I use OVH (VPS’s specifically), which offers unlimited bandwidth. In my experience they’ve been both reliable and affordable which is a rarity. I run a few applications that require high amounts of bandwidth, so silly caps like the ones that Hetzner are imposing are a non-starter for me

I wouldn't say "affordable". Looking at their pricing page right now. A US-based 64GB RAM cloud server in OVH - $539

AWS is $220 (us-east, r6a.2xlarge instance, 1yr reserved)

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Post by n144q »

ihateolives wrote: post #591
n144q wrote: post #362

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Had exactly the same experience. I even provided my real drivers license -- something I normally would never do. Didn't convince them I am a real human being that matches what's on the ID. I never understood why people think so highly of Hetzner.

> real drivers licence Drivers licence as a personal ID is not really a thing in Europe. It's accepted at some places, but either passport or your state provided ID-card is much preferred.

In the US, DL works as an ID for almost anything other than voting in an election. You can fly to almost any US territory with that plastic card. And it is state-provided ID -- nobody questions that.

And we are talking about 300M people here, which is about 4 times the population for Germany.

If they hate US residents they should declare that clearly on their website, not wasting customers' (and their own) time.

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Post by nik736 »

no_wizard wrote: post #293
lostmsu wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they have dedicated servers in US?

In Hillsboro, OR they been building up their data centers but this hasn’t converted to dedicated servers in the US yet

Do you have a source for this? My last info was they rented space in an existing data center.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by whatio »

Aachen wrote: post #597
matt-p wrote: post #491

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> is a meter attached Yes, of course. Having flow data (or monitoring ports/interfaces) for traffic engineering and management is pretty essential, not least for determining when capacity upgrades are needed. I understand both sides of the argument here. The idea of offering "unlimited" is appealing because most users of a typical 2GB RAM virtual machine (as an example) consume less than 1TB of bandwidth per month. O…

> > is a meter attached > Yes, of course. So it's not unmetered as advertised or am I misunderstanding that word? > this stance also risks degrading the experience for the 99.5% of "normal" customers—those who don’t exploit this simplification of "free bandwidth" How so? If they want to be relaxed about it, the terms can say that you can burst more (e.g. "you can use 500GB/month, and burst to 5TB for two months of ev…

“Unmetered” means “You will not be charged under normal circumstances based on the measurement of the data you use.” It does not mean that your traffic is literally not measured.

They don’t put a specific hard limit because doing so both limits their own flexibility as a service provider and creates a target for abuse by users.

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Post by mafuy »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #568
danielovichdk wrote: post #566

While all the guesswork ? They explain clearly why this is happening. And it seems fair. "With the new tariff structure, we want to make conditions for our customers around the world as fair as possible. To do that, we will calculate our prices based on local conditions in Europe, Singapore, and the USA. Until this change, customers who have used fewer resources have covered the costs, in a way, for other customers w…

It doesn't seem so fair if you didn't know that in advance. I don't do research on what actual costs a provider I sign up with has, and whether a product might be subsidized in some way. If I relied on those 20TB a month I now got a 100 to 400% price increase. I really like hetzner and their service quality, but that does leave a bad taste... I seems like they badly miscalculated.

Well, a month ago they did not know that insane tariffs are going to exist suddenly. They are telling this pretty much as soon as they could.
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