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Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by shrubble »

atomic128 wrote: post #282

As a customer of Linode, I feel like I'm getting a lot, maybe too much, for the money I pay. For $5 per month, I have a CPU running continuously near 100% utilization, training and retraining L1/L2/L3-CPU-cache-resident transformers, looking for patterns in futures and options markets. This kind of extreme resource utilization is becoming more common, and these businesses have to adapt to stay profitable. I expect Li…

You have a CPU? Or a core, that is 1 of many cores on a system where your VM can be and will be pre-empted by the host node’s scheduler without your VM having any control or insight into the process?

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by api »

themgt wrote: post #322

As a Hetzner bandwidth enjoyer affected by this, this is why ( HN cough ) multi-cloud/dedi k3s is great, because if you get rug pulled you just migrate to another provider with better prices. That said, $1/TB for bandwidth overage seems pretty fair. I empathize with the complaining but if the new price is such a ripoff everyone should be recommending what cloud VM provider they're migrating to for a better deal.

DataPacket, ReliableSite, HiVelocity, and FDCServers among others have great bandwidth prices.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by nisa »

czhu12 wrote: post #283

What are some examples of applications people are running that: 1. Require 20TB of bandwidth / month 2. That bandwidth can't be shielded by Cloudflare and others? Is it like... real time video streaming? Gaming servers? I can't imagine a web app getting anywhere close to that. I run a mid sized NFT art creation website that generates both images and GIF's ( https://mintables.club ) and with over 100000 users at peak,…

Structural monitoring in engineering for example. You need high quality pictures and have lots of drone data and files need to move to hyper scaler or on premise for GPU processing.

Cloudflare is not trustworthy and you don't always need to pay the "protection" fee. I.e. B2B where a day offline doesn't matter.

Cloud pricing is insane compared to Hetzner with regards to storage and CPU power. If you have some Linux knowledge it's perfectly stable. Support is top notch.

For 50€ per box you get 10gbe which is also nice. Not everyone needs 100% IaC like the big hyper scaler offer or geo redundancy etc.pp... even Hetzner has an API and you can even terraform their dedicated servers to some degree. It's 15 to 30 minutes vs. seconds but who cares.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by shiroiushi »

danpalmer wrote: post #382
lannisterstark wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a cultural thing to accuse customers of committing fraud their first interaction. Not being an absolute insane jerk off is a good expectation of people.

I'm not advocating for anyone being a nasty person, but there are significant cultural differences again for what it means to be rude. In Japan the cultural expectation is that saying "no" is rude in a customer service situation, which is far beyond the expectations of most of the world. This is particularly tricky when the answer is actually "no". If you're used to American customer service, you may find European cu…

>This is particularly tricky when the answer is actually "no".

If the answer is actually "no", then the customer service person will tell you it's "a little difficult". You're supposed to understand that that means "no, we can't do it". Of course, many foreigners don't get this, so then they'll change gears and just say "it's impossible".

>If you're used to American customer service, you may find European customer service to be blunt or curt

I don't see accusing your customer of fraud as simple bluntness or curtness.

>Again, if they aren't trying to win every customer, this isn't really a problem.

If they don't want to expand their business outside of Europe, I guess that approach is OK.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by jdhendrickson »

api wrote: post #422
themgt wrote: post #322

As a Hetzner bandwidth enjoyer affected by this, this is why ( HN cough ) multi-cloud/dedi k3s is great, because if you get rug pulled you just migrate to another provider with better prices. That said, $1/TB for bandwidth overage seems pretty fair. I empathize with the complaining but if the new price is such a ripoff everyone should be recommending what cloud VM provider they're migrating to for a better deal.

DataPacket, ReliableSite, HiVelocity, and FDCServers among others have great bandwidth prices.

Can vouch for HiVelocity under the previous owners anyway, not sure what's going on over there now. My companies launch was bandwidth and compute intensive and they handled it well.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by yesbut »

TZubiri wrote: post #374

This has nothing to do with Hetzner. It's because of the US tariffs. "I’ve been a big fan of Hetzner. Unfortunately they’ve made a feeble attempt to dress this change up in the name of “fairness”." Hetzner is a company know for it's precise pricing structure. An increase in prices would be correlated to an increase in costs, and in fact the next paragraph Hetzner writes: "With the new tariff structure, we want to mak…

Probably more likely has something to do with increased energy costs.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by edm0nd »

atomic128 wrote: post #282

As a customer of Linode, I feel like I'm getting a lot, maybe too much, for the money I pay. For $5 per month, I have a CPU running continuously near 100% utilization, training and retraining L1/L2/L3-CPU-cache-resident transformers, looking for patterns in futures and options markets. This kind of extreme resource utilization is becoming more common, and these businesses have to adapt to stay profitable. I expect Li…

Couldn't you just buy a used decent PC and run this on its CPU + GPU and get faster/better results?

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by [deleted] »

hoechst wrote: post #397

I personally use 0TB per month across 6 CPX21 servers (I know I’m over-provisioned; that’s not the point). Kinds of is the point tho, you're hogging resources you don't actually need (not talking about traffic here ..). People probably spam-provisioned cheap CPX boxes to get cheap bandwidth. Also, complaining about a "large 27.52% price increase" is kind of absurd when the absolute value of the increase is just under…

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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by princevegeta89 »

consumer451 wrote: post #358
princevegeta89 wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who's already using the dedicated server for a ton of things, I have been really grateful. But now, I have a new question, are they going to do this to their dedicated servers as well?

I am very ignorant here, so my apologies, but... When someone runs a dedicated server these days, does this mean a one-off linux install? Or is this more likely to be a docker install so that it's portable?

It's an actual entire machine given to you. I remember there were a few options for me from Ubuntu, Debian to Red Hat to choose from, but all of them would also have preconfigured system users and some level of administration done by the provider.

But other than that, it's an actual bare metal machine and I installed Ubuntu on it and threw in a giant heap of services that have been running on it for more than a year now.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by shrubble »

My take on this is that there’s a price increase on power consumption and Hetzner decided to bump the prices now; perhaps they are facing a power price increase in January 2025. Do Ashburn or Hillsboro publish their power prices and have they increased in the past year?
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