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Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by ajb »

consumer451 wrote: post #358
princevegeta89 wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who's already using the dedicated server for a ton of things, I have been really grateful. But now, I have a new question, are they going to do this to their dedicated servers as well?

I am very ignorant here, so my apologies, but... When someone runs a dedicated server these days, does this mean a one-off linux install? Or is this more likely to be a docker install so that it's portable?

Replying here as your other question is at max thread depth:

A non virtualized Linux install isn't more locked in than a docker install, as for a bare metal server you are choosing your own OS. I have done the docker thing on a bare metal server, but that's because I wanted to run multiple services on it and isolate them operationally.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by Filligree »

consumer451 wrote: post #366
fabian2k wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Hetzner you rent actual physical servers. There is nothing virtualized there, it's real hardware without abstractions.

Thanks, I guess what I meant to ask is that is it normal for people to virtualize their own dedicated server these days by default? Would this be a best practice to avoid hosting vendor lock-in?

There's no lock-in possible. It's a bare metal Linux machine, you do whatever you want with it; you can replace it with the PC under you desk if you want.

If you want to run k3s, k8s or docker, you can, but personally I find those too complicated. NixOS is much easier to deal with, and achieves the same result.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by theamk »

Aeolun wrote: post #334
reaperman wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What led you to assume that GP misrepresented their identity? The way I read the comment - they put their real info but was accused of putting fake info. How would you even attempt to rectify that?

Send them a copy of your ID?

doesn't always work apparently https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42269262

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by TZubiri »

This has nothing to do with Hetzner. It's because of the US tariffs.

"I’ve been a big fan of Hetzner. Unfortunately they’ve made a feeble attempt to dress this change up in the name of “fairness”."

Hetzner is a company know for it's precise pricing structure. An increase in prices would be correlated to an increase in costs, and in fact the next paragraph Hetzner writes:

"With the new tariff structure, we want to make conditions for our customers around the world as fair as possible "

Bottom line, the US imposes tariffs, this increases the prices of imported products, of which Hertzner is one, (Servers from Europe)

How can you write an entire article to complain about a price increase and not see that it was actually your country that increased the price.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by lannisterstark »

danpalmer wrote: post #335
lordofgibbons wrote: post #295

I created an account with Hetzner earlier this year, and confirmed my Credit Card with them, but a few second later, they auto-suspended my account before I could log in. I emailed support, and they bluntly told me to create a new account and this time use real information... Needless to say, I bought compute elsewhere. I don't know how they're still in business.

I think this might be a cultural thing. HN, SV, and the market for IaaS/SaaS products is a bit of an American monoculture, where "the customer is always right" and there's a strong desire to make the customer happy. I think this is mostly a good thing and especially a good way to build early stage companies, but in my experience it's less present elsewhere. In some places companies are happy doing their own thing, do…

It's not a cultural thing to accuse customers of committing fraud their first interaction.

Not being an absolute insane jerk off is a good expectation of people.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by that_guy_iain »

lordofgibbons wrote: post #295

I created an account with Hetzner earlier this year, and confirmed my Credit Card with them, but a few second later, they auto-suspended my account before I could log in. I emailed support, and they bluntly told me to create a new account and this time use real information... Needless to say, I bought compute elsewhere. I don't know how they're still in business.

Because they're so cheap they have to worry about spammers and other sorts of abuse. It's more cost effective for them to refuse dodgy-looking accounts.

The big question is, were you using real information or did you put in fake info?

They're still in business because they're cheap and pretty reliable. But being cheap means there are things you can't get with them but can with others. For example, you can't pre-pay for the entire year ahead of time.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by consumer451 »

ajb wrote: post #371
consumer451 wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very ignorant here, so my apologies, but... When someone runs a dedicated server these days, does this mean a one-off linux install? Or is this more likely to be a docker install so that it's portable?

Replying here as your other question is at max thread depth: A non virtualized Linux install isn't more locked in than a docker install, as for a bare metal server you are choosing your own OS. I have done the docker thing on a bare metal server, but that's because I wanted to run multiple services on it and isolate them operationally.

> A non virtualized Linux install isn't more locked in than a docker install

Again, sorry for my ignorance here, but if not virtualized, how does one move hosting providers otherwise? My experience is limited to either running all the bash commands in an install readme, or installing a docker image.

So there must be something in-between, to recreate a linux install elsewhere?

> Replying here as your other question is at max thread depth:

btw, you can click on the time of the post, and reply there when there is no reply link in the main thread.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by fabian2k »

TZubiri wrote: post #374

This has nothing to do with Hetzner. It's because of the US tariffs. "I’ve been a big fan of Hetzner. Unfortunately they’ve made a feeble attempt to dress this change up in the name of “fairness”." Hetzner is a company know for it's precise pricing structure. An increase in prices would be correlated to an increase in costs, and in fact the next paragraph Hetzner writes: "With the new tariff structure, we want to mak…

They're not importing the VMs from Europe. And there are no new tariffs yet, inauguration is in January so there are only various announcements so far.

They're using tariff to mean price, which is an unusual choice and likely because it was written by someone from Germany. This would not necessarily sound out of place to a German speaker as "Tarife" is a common way to describe differently priced plans for any kind of service.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by okr »

TZubiri wrote: post #374

This has nothing to do with Hetzner. It's because of the US tariffs. "I’ve been a big fan of Hetzner. Unfortunately they’ve made a feeble attempt to dress this change up in the name of “fairness”." Hetzner is a company know for it's precise pricing structure. An increase in prices would be correlated to an increase in costs, and in fact the next paragraph Hetzner writes: "With the new tariff structure, we want to mak…

Because of announcements of tariffs?
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