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Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

acomjean wrote: post #332
hot_gril wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, it's objectively not good-looking, and in a few years it'll be more obvious. There are probably more than 0 people who still genuinely think the Pontiac Aztek looks good, and they're wrong.

I’ll agree that there are cars that just look bad. I love my Honda Element, but even I admit it’s not a great looking vehicle.. it’s old enough that it’s no longer sticks out, though easy to find in a parking lot as few cars are shaped that boxy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Element 62 page pdf about how the design of vehicle came together which is kind of interesting. (Function driving design) http://www.ra…

That is not an ugly car, a bit cute looking in my opinion. Truly ugly cars are Aztec and Fiat Multipla. Also Chrysler PT Cruiser.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by venusenvy47 »

daft_pink wrote: post #323

Recalls don’t seem to be a reliable way to tell much of anything since there is no severity score on them.

They are defined as creating a safety risk. I believe the severity usually comes in the title of each specific recall, such as "urgent", etc.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls

Or with the "do not drive" or "park outside" labels.

https://www.carfax.com/blog/urgent-recalls

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by r2_pilot »

imtringued wrote: post #311
thrw42A8N wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get it's wrong in cars. But who the hell cares about games? So your game updates after a month with a fix. So what? It's not like you pay for the update.

There are lots of studios who just run away with your money and never deliver the fixes.

I'm still deeply disappointed about Kerbal Space Program 2,for that matter.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by qwerpy »

nahwut wrote: post #30
sitkack wrote: post #3

The article has about equal time about what Cybertruck owners dont care about, safety, reliability, etc. > Similar to other critics (earlier this year, a CNN reviewer called the pickup a “disturbing level of individual arrogance in hard, unforgiving steel”)—Drury believes Cybertruck buyers are people “who think ‘I don’t care if I kill people when I drive this thing down the street,’” he says. “There aren’t many of th…

What's the term right wing folks use? Virtue Signaling? The cyber truck is that. People buy them because they are politically charged, and you can be seen as a tribe member. But I kinda think it's sad, because I think most tribes make fun of the cyber truck buyer, so they've bought a very expensive, very shoddy ticket into an in group, only to mark themselves as an outsider who bought their way in.

CT owner here. Maybe I’m just more boring than the usual person who gets this truck, but my reasoning for getting one was a lot more simple than this. “My Teslas have been great, this one looks cool, my family can benefit from having a truck, I’ll put down a deposit!”

Not sure which group I was supposed to be buying a ticket into. Around where I live the group seems to be Asian men with families, but I was already a member of that group before the truck :)

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by Reubachi »

gibolt wrote: post #50
jmward01 wrote: post #5

Completely unrelated to safety, these vehicles don't look like they are aging well. They are all completely new but the ones I am seeing on the road already look a bit beat up. That finish on them and their general styling emphasize every minor blemish.

The panels will not rust, which is the reason to avoiding scratches on other vehicles. You can beat the hell out of it and not have to care.

What a statement to make. Tons of photo evidence of bare stainless steel panels rusting, cyber truck or not.

I live in New England, neighbor has a cybertruck that lives in the (outside) driveway. Every panel has a like....brown tinge to it.

2 years from now it will be manhole covered.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by timbowhite »

bamboozled wrote: post #256
austin-cheney wrote: post #218

Why are people spending so much money for something so hideous and so defective? Is this a weird fashion thing? My old 2017 Kia Soul costs about 5x less and has had 0 defects.

Tribalism. They are political statements now, before the were saving the environment vehicles.

I'm honestly ignorant - what political statement is it making?

It seems that liberals dislike Teslas because they dislike Elon Musk.

And conservatives dislike Teslas because they dislike new and different things.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by squigz »

0xEF wrote: post #202
johnp314 wrote: post #182

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Well, the OED definition of 'recall' is "official order to return to a place" and a software update or fix requires no return to the place of purchase. I wonder how may legally defined 'recalls' Microsoft Windows has experienced with each new version.

I think the gist is "recall" is the same saying "safety issue that needs to be fixed in the software or hardware" since we don't have a word for software issues, which carry a bit more weight on a fly-by-wire vehicle like the Cybertruck. Interesting to note that this thread seems to be full of a lot of people choosing to be pedantic over the word "recall" rather than taking a critical look at the Cybertruck and it's…

I think the 'pedantry' is actually trying to push back against the politics and whatnot, in a way.

As others have noted, 'recall' brings to mind physically returning an item. I have, repeatedly, had to clarify to people that it was actually an OTA software update, which - to most people - is a lot less significant than the idea of having to return your car several times a year.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by zelon88 »

jart wrote: post #176
imiric wrote: post #107

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The problem is that those issues shouldn't happen on a public road vehicle to begin with. Tesla's approach is shipping beta software to customers, and using them as testers. This is an insidious practice in modern software development, but is criminal when that software is running a 3-ton vehicle, regardless if it can be fixed with an OTA update or not. There are reasons why strict car safety regulations exist. You c…

It's not just Tesla. All the online services you depend on are run this way, and none of it's regulated. Governments don't know how to regulate software companies like Tesla. They know how to regulate people constructing homes, cooking food, and building bridges but most attempts at regulating software development have petered out. This is a good thing. Thanks to Tesla's modern approach to car manufacturing it is now…

Why do Tesla people see servitization and paying for something in perpetuity forever as being such an enabling thing for people? We need to own the things we pay for, not rent them. In a decentralized way. A car is a machine that needs to be capable of functioning completely independent of everything else. There is no reason it should be a PaaS other than to extract as much value out of the market as possible.

Companies need to leave some value for regular people to live.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by FireBeyond »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

The article notes that the most recent recall was a physical one, not a software update, and implies that that was unusual. I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then?

> I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then?

That depends, are you also going to exclude recalls for other cars, like one I got last year, "Please insert this piece of paper between page 129 and 130 of your owner's manual. It contains supplemental information about the operation of a vehicle system"?

Or will only CyberTruck get this special treatment?

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