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Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by screye »

pbreit wrote: post #8

Are these "recalls" just simple over the air software updates? Just because car people are not used to this doesn't make it necessarily bad. Obviously no bugs are better than some bugs. But people here tend to know how software development works.

Just because we tolerate it doesn't mean others should too.

Legacy industries view software projects as a 1-and-done deal. The "we'll fix it live" approach in tech is a short-coming of our discipline. We can ignore it when failure means a mild inconvenience. But, hard engineering isn't as forgiving.

Even if the fix is 'just' a software update, the bug can put lives at risk. [1]

Each industry and its regulators come with certain norms. Cars are expected to be delivered as 'complete' products. If Tesla can't abide by that expectation, then that's their problem. Don't drag the entire software industry into this.

[1] https://www.cars.com/research/tesla-cybertruck/recalls/

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by qwerpy »

pbreit wrote: post #8

Are these "recalls" just simple over the air software updates? Just because car people are not used to this doesn't make it necessarily bad. Obviously no bugs are better than some bugs. But people here tend to know how software development works.

Mine has two physical recalls active, but they’re not serious so I haven’t scheduled any maintenance yet. Unlike my Honda civic a couple of decades ago which had an airbag that was killing people. That one I got taken care of quickly.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by nahwut »

renewiltord wrote: post #27

Dude, the thing with these things is that the breathlessness has already exhausted belief. Supposedly Tesla Y was a terrible thing, supposedly everyone was going to die in the heat under the Tesla tent, supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. Nothing happened. Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it. So I’m going to file this under “internet hates guy; tries to make it sound like he makes bad th…

I owned a Tesla. I sold it. Loved it for three years then hated it. It became a nightmare to own and the service dept was such a hassle. They refused to fix recall issues, things broke all the time. It was trash, and I was so blinded by speedy car that I didn't notice it was trash until years later.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by bitwize »

relwin wrote: post #31
elmerfud wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To each their own on this matter because styling is a matter of taste. I remember the shift from the '70s style boxy cars to the mid to late '80s rounded style cars. I wasn't a fan of that new style when it came out but it did eventually grow on me. For me the cybertruck looks like something out of a low budget'70s Sci-Fi movie. Who knows in 10 years maybe it will start to appeal to me but for right now it doesn't.

Looks like a "Death Race 2000" El Camino...

Looks like the DeLorean from the latest Back to the Future video game... with a buggy level-of-detail algorithm.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by nahwut »

gibolt wrote: post #39
andrepd wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Getting those gas guzzling truck owners to go electric would be nice too. Congratulations, you solved 1 issue related to car dependency and proliferation of huge vehicles, namely tailpipe emissions. Now the other 99 remain. The solution to gas guzzling trucks is "boring", it's good trains, it's protected bike lanes in urban environments, it's smaller and safer cars in less dense environments, etc. But these things…

Trains will not enter American suburbs, nor will most truck drivers consider biking as a valid alternative. I'm all for better transit, but it doesn't change that the trucks/SUVs keep selling and getting more polluting, and will do so for decades as part of the fleet

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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by jaggederest »

jmward01 wrote: post #36
lukah wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Car panels are convex on nearly all other cars for very good reason. Flat panels are structurally susceptible to damages which wouldn’t mark a standard panel. Adding a highly reflective surface was another great move.

I wonder what tests car companies generally do to predict how durable a style choice is (how scratches, corrosion, etc will impact the look). Protecting your brand is also about what people will see in the future, not just what is on the showroom now. If 5 years from now all of these vehicles look terrible that won't help sales for any of their models.

I know in the past they've looked at data from used cars, and they also have HALT/HASS (highly accelerated life/stress) testing which does things like e.g. spray the car with concentrated salt solution in a wind tunnel, things like that.

I believe many manufacturers also look at data from people like Munro & Associates who tear down cars, figure out what they're made from, and how they were made.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by system16 »

pbreit wrote: post #9
jmward01 wrote: post #5

Completely unrelated to safety, these vehicles don't look like they are aging well. They are all completely new but the ones I am seeing on the road already look a bit beat up. That finish on them and their general styling emphasize every minor blemish.

Could not disagree more. They are the freshest looking vehicles on the road.

I think it looks ok from a distance. But up close it looks like a prop from the set of a Back to the Future remake.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by gibolt »

jmward01 wrote: post #5

Completely unrelated to safety, these vehicles don't look like they are aging well. They are all completely new but the ones I am seeing on the road already look a bit beat up. That finish on them and their general styling emphasize every minor blemish.

The panels will not rust, which is the reason to avoiding scratches on other vehicles. You can beat the hell out of it and not have to care.
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