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Fly.io outage – resolved

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Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by bormaj »

jart wrote: post #149
latch wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most BIG banks, "Vice President" is almost an entry-level title. Easily have 1000s of them. For example, this article points out that Goldman Sachs had ~12K VPs out of more than 30K employees: https://web.archive.org/web/20150311012855/https://www.wsj.c...

VP at Goldman is equivalent to Senior SWE according to levels.fyi and their entry level is Analyst. I'm surprised by the compensation though. I would have thought people working at a place with gold in the name would be making more. Also apparently Morgan Stanley pays their VPs $67k/year.

That VP comp number seems quite low fwiw

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by jrockway »

nomilk wrote: post #49
benhoyt wrote: post #8

My fly.io-hosted website went down for 5 minutes (6 hours ago), but then came right back up, and has been up ever since. I use a free monitoring service that checks it every 5 minutes, so it's possible it missed another short bit of downtime. But fly.io has been pretty reliable overall for me!

Would be fascinated to see your data over a period of months. Application up time is flakey, but what was worse were fly deploys failing for no clear reason. Sometimes layers would just hang and eventually fail for no particular reason; I'd run the same command an hour or two later without any changes and it would just work as expected. I'd love to make a monitoring service to deploy a basic app (i.e. run the fly dep…

I used to run a service that created k8s clusters on GCP for our customers. We did want to check that that functionality kept working and had a prober test it periodically. It was actually broken a lot.

Always good to monitor your dependencies if you have the time. Then when someone complains about an issue in your service, you can check your monitoring to see if your upstream services are broken. If they are, at least you know where to start debugging.

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by ignoramous »

neya wrote: post #151

Personal experience between Fly.io and Railway.com - Railway wins for me hands down. I have used both and the Railways support is stellar too, in comparison. Fly.io never responded to my query about data deletion till date. Despite emailing on their support email. I have had my Railway app online till date without any major downtimes too. I recommend anyone looking for a decent replacement to try them.

Fly builds on their own hardware. Is Railway doing the same? If not, that'd explain some of why Railway has relatively less number of outages (they're engineering fewer things).

I understand that end-users want reliability (and Fly gets a bad rep despite pretty significant investment on this front in the past 2 years), but such outages aren't exclusive to one provider & not the other. Building cloud infra is no one's definition of easy.

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by mtlynch »

ignoramous wrote: post #187
k__ wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically the new Heroku with less lock-in, because it works with Docker. You get edge computing, autoscaling, and load balancing without additional configuration. Not as flexible as AWS, but also much easier to setup and maintain. But the reliability issues suck now and then.

> Not as flexible as AWS Today, Fly.io is more or less in the same market as Lightsail , not AWS. And when you compare it to Lightsail , it blows it away.

And when you compare it to Lightsail, it blows it away.

This is a bit of a confusing sentence because there are so many pronouns. Do all of the "it"s refer to Fly.io?

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by throwaway63467 »

huijzer wrote: post #170
cryptos wrote: post #162

Fly.io seems to be a bit of a mixed bag: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41917436 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35044516 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34742946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34229751 If a cloud platform doesn't really provide reliability, I'd say it's probably not worth it. You could better just rent a (virtual) server and save the cloud tax.

For experiments and hobby projects the value proposition is amazing. Where else can you spin up an independent instance for $1.94 per month?* *Note this is for an instance with only 256MB RAM ( https://fly.io/docs/about/pricing/ ), but it's definitely possible to run non-trivial projects on that. Rust-based web servers like Rocket require only about 10MB RAM. Basic PHP servers should also fit from what I can find.

Best business model in the world, buy stuff in big bags, put it in smaller ones, sell at a multiple of the original price.

Fly is mostly (to my knowledge) reselling Netactuate and OVH servers, their main innovation is the developer experience on top, using Docker on a MicroVM based approach. Of course not only that, but I think it’s their main differentiator.

Haven’t used that in a while but Scaleway offered ridiculously cheap dedicated ARM hardware close to these price points, not sure if they still do.

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by dijksterhuis »

mtlynch wrote: post #194
ignoramous wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not as flexible as AWS Today, Fly.io is more or less in the same market as Lightsail , not AWS. And when you compare it to Lightsail , it blows it away.

And when you compare it to Lightsail, it blows it away. This is a bit of a confusing sentence because there are so many pronouns. Do all of the "it"s refer to Fly.io?

> And when you compare [fly.io] to Lightsail, [fly.io] blows [Lightsail] away.

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by brainzap »

qeternity wrote: post #166
cryptos wrote: post #162

Fly.io seems to be a bit of a mixed bag: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41917436 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35044516 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34742946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34229751 If a cloud platform doesn't really provide reliability, I'd say it's probably not worth it. You could better just rent a (virtual) server and save the cloud tax.

I don't really understand the value prop of fly.io. They seem to have an impressive engineering team despite the outages, but is edge compute really something that 99.9% of devs need? There are tons of large companies that operate out of a single AWS region and those services are used by millions around the globe. It just strikes me as something that enables premature optimization right out of the box.

I typed fly launch, fly deploy and my node.js project was deployed. So I guess hobby projects?

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by zackify »

cryptos wrote: post #162

Fly.io seems to be a bit of a mixed bag: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41917436 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35044516 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34742946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34229751 If a cloud platform doesn't really provide reliability, I'd say it's probably not worth it. You could better just rent a (virtual) server and save the cloud tax.

The reliability is very very bad. It was really insane that 2 times in the past few months the main dashboard was down as I’m demoing something. Not to mention the deploy outages and almost daily some random thing was unavailable or delayed.

I had to leave a few months ago after the price raises and how many times my boss saw some issue in the project I had with them.

They also deprecated and removed their sqlite backup service. Back to GCP and not worrying about so many outages now.

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by dijksterhuis »

gurgunday wrote: post #188
k__ wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically the new Heroku with less lock-in, because it works with Docker. You get edge computing, autoscaling, and load balancing without additional configuration. Not as flexible as AWS, but also much easier to setup and maintain. But the reliability issues suck now and then.

DigitalOcean has been doing this for years, and their value proposition is unmatched IMO For $5 you get: Latest gen CPUs and RAM HTTPS DDoS protection Cloudflare CDN Autoscale Competent support I'd say the best part is the predictable monthly prices And while most people probably don't care, they are an established public company, so there is more chance they will exist in 10 years

are global r/w token permissions still a thing, or did the token scopes thing finally come out of beta?

also, my experience with support was not the same as yours. they were utterly useless for the most part.

for a personal web dev (or similar) project, like, i agree, they’ve got good value.

but having worked in a small biz where DO was what they built everything on — no. bad idea. spend more. use aws (graviton ec2 instances)/azure.

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by fragmede »

gurgunday wrote: post #188
k__ wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically the new Heroku with less lock-in, because it works with Docker. You get edge computing, autoscaling, and load balancing without additional configuration. Not as flexible as AWS, but also much easier to setup and maintain. But the reliability issues suck now and then.

DigitalOcean has been doing this for years, and their value proposition is unmatched IMO For $5 you get: Latest gen CPUs and RAM HTTPS DDoS protection Cloudflare CDN Autoscale Competent support I'd say the best part is the predictable monthly prices And while most people probably don't care, they are an established public company, so there is more chance they will exist in 10 years

the $5 droplet is underpowered and can't run anything substantial. it's just the price to get you in the door.
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