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Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by KomoD »

input_sh wrote: post #178
huijzer wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For experiments and hobby projects the value proposition is amazing. Where else can you spin up an independent instance for $1.94 per month?* *Note this is for an instance with only 256MB RAM ( https://fly.io/docs/about/pricing/ ), but it's definitely possible to run non-trivial projects on that. Rust-based web servers like Rocket require only about 10MB RAM. Basic PHP servers should also fit from what I can find.

Nowhere? Because that's a ridiculously low amount of RAM to offer even in your cheapest offerings? You can easily get 4 GB of RAM for $5 from the likes of Hetzner or Hostinger, so that's 16x more RAM for 2.5x the price. One relatively unknown provider I have used in the past offers 2 GB of RAM for €3.6/month (if paid monthly, €3 if anually), so 8x more RAM for 1.5-2x the price. I'm sure I could find something even ch…

> Nowhere? Because that's a ridiculously low amount of RAM to offer even in your cheapest offerings?

There's definitely places that offer it... also 512m

I know because I've personally bought such plans and that was $5-10/yr because I didn't need dedicated ipv4.

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

huijzer wrote: post #170
cryptos wrote: post #162

Fly.io seems to be a bit of a mixed bag: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41917436 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35044516 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34742946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34229751 If a cloud platform doesn't really provide reliability, I'd say it's probably not worth it. You could better just rent a (virtual) server and save the cloud tax.

For experiments and hobby projects the value proposition is amazing. Where else can you spin up an independent instance for $1.94 per month?* *Note this is for an instance with only 256MB RAM ( https://fly.io/docs/about/pricing/ ), but it's definitely possible to run non-trivial projects on that. Rust-based web servers like Rocket require only about 10MB RAM. Basic PHP servers should also fit from what I can find.

I'm getting 1$ for a 2gb ram vps in ovh for the first year

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by mattbee »

It feels like fly is trying to repeat a growth model that worked 20 years ago: throw interesting toys at engineers, then wait for engineers to recommend their services as they move on in their careers.

Part of that playbook is the old Move Fast & Break Things. That can still be the right call for young projects, but it has two big problems:

1) AWS successfully moved themselves into the position of "safe" hosting choice, so it's much rarer for engineers to have influence on something that's seen by money men as a humdrum, solved problem;

2) engineers are not the internal influencers they used to be, being laid off left and right the last few years, and without time for hobby projects.

(maybe also 3) it's much harder to build a useful free tier on a hosting service, which used to be a necessary marketing expense to reach those engineers).

So idk, I feel like the bar is just higher for hosting stability than it used to be, and novelty is a much harder sell, even here. Or rather: if you're going to brag about reinventing so many wheels, they need to not to come off the cart as often.

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by philipwhiuk »

jart wrote: post #149
latch wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most BIG banks, "Vice President" is almost an entry-level title. Easily have 1000s of them. For example, this article points out that Goldman Sachs had ~12K VPs out of more than 30K employees: https://web.archive.org/web/20150311012855/https://www.wsj.c...

VP at Goldman is equivalent to Senior SWE according to levels.fyi and their entry level is Analyst. I'm surprised by the compensation though. I would have thought people working at a place with gold in the name would be making more. Also apparently Morgan Stanley pays their VPs $67k/year.

Tech outstripped big finance corps tech a while ago.

Traders make loads, not the SWEs

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by TiredOfLife »

huijzer wrote: post #170
cryptos wrote: post #162

Fly.io seems to be a bit of a mixed bag: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41917436 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35044516 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34742946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34229751 If a cloud platform doesn't really provide reliability, I'd say it's probably not worth it. You could better just rent a (virtual) server and save the cloud tax.

For experiments and hobby projects the value proposition is amazing. Where else can you spin up an independent instance for $1.94 per month?* *Note this is for an instance with only 256MB RAM ( https://fly.io/docs/about/pricing/ ), but it's definitely possible to run non-trivial projects on that. Rust-based web servers like Rocket require only about 10MB RAM. Basic PHP servers should also fit from what I can find.

Oracle free is one 4 core 24gb ram vps + 2 dualcore amd vps.

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by ignoramous »

mzi wrote: post #146
ignoramous wrote: post #77

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Fly.io can migrate vm+volume now: https://fly.io/docs/reference/machine-migration/ / https://archive.md/rAK0V > a fly instance is hardwired to one physical server and thus cannot fail over I'm having trouble understanding how else this is supposed to be? I understand that live migration is a thing, but even in those cases, a VM is "hardwired" to some physical server, no?

> I'm having trouble understanding how else this is supposed to be? I understand that live migration is a thing, but even in those cases, a VM is "hardwired" to some physical server, no? You can run your workload (in this case a VM) on top of a scheduler, so if one node goes down the workload is just spun up on another available node. You will have downtime, but it will be limited.

> so if one goes down ... just spun up on another

On Fly, one can absolutely set this up. Multiple ways: https://fly.io/docs/apps/app-availability / https://archive.md/SJ32K

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by ignoramous »

k__ wrote: post #168
qeternity wrote: post #166

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I don't really understand the value prop of fly.io. They seem to have an impressive engineering team despite the outages, but is edge compute really something that 99.9% of devs need? There are tons of large companies that operate out of a single AWS region and those services are used by millions around the globe. It just strikes me as something that enables premature optimization right out of the box.

It's basically the new Heroku with less lock-in, because it works with Docker. You get edge computing, autoscaling, and load balancing without additional configuration. Not as flexible as AWS, but also much easier to setup and maintain. But the reliability issues suck now and then.

> Not as flexible as AWS

Today, Fly.io is more or less in the same market as Lightsail, not AWS. And when you compare it to Lightsail, it blows it away.

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by gurgunday »

k__ wrote: post #168
qeternity wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really understand the value prop of fly.io. They seem to have an impressive engineering team despite the outages, but is edge compute really something that 99.9% of devs need? There are tons of large companies that operate out of a single AWS region and those services are used by millions around the globe. It just strikes me as something that enables premature optimization right out of the box.

It's basically the new Heroku with less lock-in, because it works with Docker. You get edge computing, autoscaling, and load balancing without additional configuration. Not as flexible as AWS, but also much easier to setup and maintain. But the reliability issues suck now and then.

DigitalOcean has been doing this for years, and their value proposition is unmatched IMO

For $5 you get:

Latest gen CPUs and RAM

HTTPS

DDoS protection

Cloudflare CDN

Autoscale

Competent support

I'd say the best part is the predictable monthly prices

And while most people probably don't care, they are an established public company, so there is more chance they will exist in 10 years

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by ignoramous »

nikodotio wrote: post #180
k__ wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically the new Heroku with less lock-in, because it works with Docker. You get edge computing, autoscaling, and load balancing without additional configuration. Not as flexible as AWS, but also much easier to setup and maintain. But the reliability issues suck now and then.

This is precisely it. The ease of deploy, https domain configuration, scaling. Additionally, having machines that turn off when not in use is easy to configure, which I never managed on AWS.

> which I never managed on AWS

I haven't looked at it recently, but App Runner could do a few of Fly.io esque things (but slightly more expensive): https://aws.amazon.com/apprunner/

Re: Fly.io outage – resolved

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Post by jrockway »

qeternity wrote: post #166
cryptos wrote: post #162

Fly.io seems to be a bit of a mixed bag: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41917436 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35044516 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34742946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34229751 If a cloud platform doesn't really provide reliability, I'd say it's probably not worth it. You could better just rent a (virtual) server and save the cloud tax.

I don't really understand the value prop of fly.io. They seem to have an impressive engineering team despite the outages, but is edge compute really something that 99.9% of devs need? There are tons of large companies that operate out of a single AWS region and those services are used by millions around the globe. It just strikes me as something that enables premature optimization right out of the box.

I would take edge compute if it's free and easy. That's fly.io's value prop.

In a world where much web browsing starts with ACK SYN ACK, it is nice if the server is close to you.

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