Why are people spending so much money for something so hideous and so defective? Is this a weird fashion thing? My old 2017 Kia Soul costs about 5x less and has had 0 defects.
To you it may be hideous but to many, it’s one of the most attractive cars on the road
Cybertruck's Many Recalls
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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls
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But I do care! I care about EVs and climate change and emission reduction and all that. What I don't care about is the Electric vehicle news feed being polluted with irrelevant nonsense when there are far more important news to be shared. I don't care about the Cybertruck's oddities... because those oddities are common to other american EV trucks and therefore bring nothing new to the table.
EVs are not a solution to climate change. That is an industry green wash to make you buy a new car. There are multiple other technologies which will surpass EVs efficiency, and wont require scrapping 1.5 billion existing cars or disposing of huge battery packs after 10 years.
But I am also a realist, and as much I'd like buses and trains, we are going to have private cars anyways, and if private cars are inevitable, I'd rather they be electric.
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The problem is that those issues shouldn't happen on a public road vehicle to begin with. Tesla's approach is shipping beta software to customers, and using them as testers. This is an insidious practice in modern software development, but is criminal when that software is running a 3-ton vehicle, regardless if it can be fixed with an OTA update or not. There are reasons why strict car safety regulations exist. You c…
I wonder whether OTA updates being possible encourages manufacturers to be sloppy with software quality. They know they can fix problems cheaply. If they had to physically update vehicles they would have a lot more incentive to make updates unnecessary.
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There referring to the people who claimed that Twitter would break down following the large scale firings. Every time Twitter went done for a little bit after that, lots of comments here would pop up claiming that the Twitter site would get worse and worse and eventually break apart because of the firings (see the whole discussion here[1], for example). People said Musk didn't know what he was doing, and wouldn't be…
The way I see it all these supposed "inefficiencies" got twitter a valuation of 44B and a hub for people across the spectrum to congregate. Firing all these people and goining hardcore mode has only slashed the value of the company by 80% and even more of a cesspool of bots and misinformation, not to mention the exodus of advertisers and a large portion of users. So yeah. Good job.
It's certainly possible to argue that Musk hasn't done a good job of running Twitter. But the claim - made by many people here - that the site wouldn't remain function after 80% of the staff was laid off certainly proved to be incorrect.
Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls
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They are called recalls because that’s what the term for legalisation mandates. They are issued when a vehicle is unsafe to drive and they are mandated because a manufacturer is required to take a lot of steps to remedy their failure. If they fail to repair the issue they are forced to issue full refunds as an example. So no, the word recall is used because is the official terminology used for these issues regardless…
Isn't this just restating part of the previous point? "We use a silly word for OTA software updates: 'recalls'" "Recalls is the word we use" "Yes..."
If that doesn't happen there are legal consequences.
The fact that software is involved changes exactly nothing. And honestly - the entire industry needs to get over the bizarre belief that software has a magical right to be less performant, less competent, less reliable, less robust, and more consumer hostile than hardware, just because it can be updated.
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> word 'utility' specifically means how it functions, not how it looks Yes. Not offering utility in design is common in cars. Most people don’t buy a truck to haul. Most people don’t buy an off-roader to go off road. (Most people don’t buy a sports car to race.)
Even taken at face value: > Most people don’t buy a truck to haul. But if they do need to haul or tow something, they can. > Most people don’t buy an off-roader to go off road. But if they do need to go off-road, they can. > Most people don’t buy a sports car to race. Sports cars can be enjoyed (relatively) legally on the street. Quick acceleration combined with very good handling and a sense of connection to the roa…
> cybertruck can’t really haul things, it can’t really tow things, and it can’t be that fun to drive
This reminds me of people who complain about expensive garments being impractical.
That isn’t the point. They’re articles of fashion. Same as most trucks and sports cars. Cybertruck is outselling the F-150 Lightning. Consumers don’t care about hypothetical utility.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
EVs are not a solution to climate change. That is an industry green wash to make you buy a new car. There are multiple other technologies which will surpass EVs efficiency, and wont require scrapping 1.5 billion existing cars or disposing of huge battery packs after 10 years.
You are preaching to the choir, I an a public transit advocate. But I am also a realist, and as much I'd like buses and trains, we are going to have private cars anyways, and if private cars are inevitable, I'd rather they be electric.
Thats the issue. The car industry has brainwashed everyone into thinking that owning an EV is the best option for the planet. It isnt. EVs are way more pollutant in creation and disposal. Emissions out of the exhaust pipe are one tiny part of the climate impact of a vehicle.
Replacing Petrol/Diesel with Hydrogen/Synthetic fuel is a much greener option overall.
Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls
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It's not just Tesla. All the online services you depend on are run this way, and none of it's regulated. Governments don't know how to regulate software companies like Tesla. They know how to regulate people constructing homes, cooking food, and building bridges but most attempts at regulating software development have petered out. This is a good thing. Thanks to Tesla's modern approach to car manufacturing it is now…
People who have 100k to burn on a car are middle-class? What's the median yearly income in the US? 90k?
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"recall" is a legal term, it means the vehicle is not road-legal and requires immediate action. Doesn't really matter if it hw, sw or maybe even the owners manual that needs to be changed ASAP.
If I have a flat tyre it's not a recall. Not everything about not being road-legal and requiring immediate action is a recall. That's a bad definition.
Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls
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I completely agree, but saying it's a 'recall' when your car sits in your driveway still feels entirely wrong.
I'm not sure I agree. From the perspective of a customer, not being able to drive the car due to it being unsafe is the part that matters, not where and how the manufacturer has to fix it. If you're opposed to it based on the assumption that it wouldn't take as long, I agree that might be true, but by that logic we should be categorizing _all_ recalls based on length (regardless of whether it's a software update or o…
Surely this causes a lot of confusion at the very least people thinking those vehicles actually have to be brought back.