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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by soco »

imiric wrote: post #107
stackghost wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then? Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? It gives the impression you think this makes it somehow lesser. The cybertruck, for example, was subject to a recall because the rearview camera wouldn't come up, but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. That's a safety issue, irrespec…

The problem is that those issues shouldn't happen on a public road vehicle to begin with. Tesla's approach is shipping beta software to customers, and using them as testers. This is an insidious practice in modern software development, but is criminal when that software is running a 3-ton vehicle, regardless if it can be fixed with an OTA update or not. There are reasons why strict car safety regulations exist. You c…

This is a point which comes up regularly when discussing right to privacy laws (hello EU). Startup culture wants to move fast and break things - including my bones in this case - while evil regulations only come in the way of progress.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by johnp314 »

stackghost wrote: post #66
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

The article notes that the most recent recall was a physical one, not a software update, and implies that that was unusual. I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then?

>I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then? Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? It gives the impression you think this makes it somehow lesser. The cybertruck, for example, was subject to a recall because the rearview camera wouldn't come up, but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. That's a safety issue, irrespec…

Well, the OED definition of 'recall' is "official order to return to a place" and a software update or fix requires no return to the place of purchase. I wonder how may legally defined 'recalls' Microsoft Windows has experienced with each new version.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by gadders »

renewiltord wrote: post #27

Dude, the thing with these things is that the breathlessness has already exhausted belief. Supposedly Tesla Y was a terrible thing, supposedly everyone was going to die in the heat under the Tesla tent, supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. Nothing happened. Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it. So I’m going to file this under “internet hates guy; tries to make it sound like he makes bad th…

We need a special #RocketManBad for these stories.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by Sebb767 »

riffraff wrote: post #88
renewiltord wrote: post #27

Dude, the thing with these things is that the breathlessness has already exhausted belief. Supposedly Tesla Y was a terrible thing, supposedly everyone was going to die in the heat under the Tesla tent, supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. Nothing happened. Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it. So I’m going to file this under “internet hates guy; tries to make it sound like he makes bad th…

> supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. I agree people tend to overreact and overblow expected consequences, but I mean, twitter's valuation is down 80%[0] and they haven't released anything new in two years, after exhausting the backlog of already developed things. It's not going great. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2024/09/30/elon-musk...

> they haven't released anything new in two years, after exhausting the backlog of already developed things.

I'm not a Twitter user, so I might miss the lack of some essential features, but it seems to me that the platform is mostly feature-complete. Just further bloating the software for the sake of it is not necessary a good strategy, yet it is one that a lot of startups follow, just because that VC R&D money has to go somewhere.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by Eikon »

IshKebab wrote: post #125
fastball wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And most cars end up scratched anyway, and most owners do not take their car in for detailing every time this happens (if at all).

Most cars don't end up scratched. They definitely don't end up scratched after 1 year.

We are not seeing the same cars or not have the same definition of what a scratch is, lol.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by Peanuts99 »

ryzvonusef wrote: post #150
henry2023 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the parent comment classifies the F150 as dangerous not to the driver but to everyone around it.

exactly, Pedestrian safety of all american trucks is terrible, yet we don't hear about the big speeding wall that are the 'conventional' american truck... but apparently the cyber truck is a pedestrian predator they 'suddenly' discovered. Either do something about the terrible truck design... or shut up and tolerate the cyber truck like you tolerate the F150 EV or whatever. Fluff like this just pollutes the EV news s…

Surely the fact that it's a three ton machine that can accelerate from 0-60 in 3 seconds is relevant too. As far as I'm aware the F150 can't match that.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by nrb »

Tempest1981 wrote: post #170
anon373839 wrote: post #52

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Not only that, but the finish looks like trash, too. I'm seeing 10-20 Cybertrucks a day and almost all of them are weirdly splotchy and dull.

Curious what city that's in... I rarely see them.

There are TONS of them in Los Angeles.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by robertlagrant »

soco wrote: post #181
imiric wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that those issues shouldn't happen on a public road vehicle to begin with. Tesla's approach is shipping beta software to customers, and using them as testers. This is an insidious practice in modern software development, but is criminal when that software is running a 3-ton vehicle, regardless if it can be fixed with an OTA update or not. There are reasons why strict car safety regulations exist. You c…

This is a point which comes up regularly when discussing right to privacy laws (hello EU). Startup culture wants to move fast and break things - including my bones in this case - while evil regulations only come in the way of progress.

> Startup culture wants to move fast and break things - including my bones in this case - while evil regulations only come in the way of progress.

All car companies comply with thousands of regulations, and it's fine. If you have a simple view of the world, I don't think inverting it and claiming the people you think are the baddies hold that inverted view is going to get anyone closer to understanding anything.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by robertlagrant »

daghamm wrote: post #136
Aeolun wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree, but saying it's a 'recall' when your car sits in your driveway still feels entirely wrong.

"recall" is a legal term, it means the vehicle is not road-legal and requires immediate action. Doesn't really matter if it hw, sw or maybe even the owners manual that needs to be changed ASAP.

If I have a flat tyre it's not a recall. Not everything about not being road-legal and requiring immediate action is a recall. That's a bad definition.
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