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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by bilekas »

imiric wrote: post #107
stackghost wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then? Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? It gives the impression you think this makes it somehow lesser. The cybertruck, for example, was subject to a recall because the rearview camera wouldn't come up, but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. That's a safety issue, irrespec…

The problem is that those issues shouldn't happen on a public road vehicle to begin with. Tesla's approach is shipping beta software to customers, and using them as testers. This is an insidious practice in modern software development, but is criminal when that software is running a 3-ton vehicle, regardless if it can be fixed with an OTA update or not. There are reasons why strict car safety regulations exist. You c…

> You can't just sell early access cars and fix issues as customers experience them.

But then how will you know what you HAVE to fix. /s

To be frank I find the whole Tesla cult to be mind blowing. Seems to be the realization of believing in something that seems so good to be true alwith a company who promises to do so many great things, delivers non road worthy vehicles and people still dedicate their time and money defending them.

Is it sunk cost fallocy? Or just people who just wish Tesla was what they promised they would be?

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by hot_gril »

eigart wrote: post #131
stackghost wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then? Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? It gives the impression you think this makes it somehow lesser. The cybertruck, for example, was subject to a recall because the rearview camera wouldn't come up, but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. That's a safety issue, irrespec…

Yeah, software recalls are recalls. The car has steer by wire, so even steering wheel issues could be ”just” a software recall.

Usually your steer by wire isn't fixable over the air

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by rob74 »

justinclift wrote: post #90
stackghost wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then? Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? It gives the impression you think this makes it somehow lesser. The cybertruck, for example, was subject to a recall because the rearview camera wouldn't come up, but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. That's a safety issue, irrespec…

> Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? Maybe because an over-the-air update is hard to seriously consider a "recall"?

Maybe, to eliminate ambiguity (and make it sound cooler), they should call it a "roadworthiness directive", similar to "airworthiness directive" for aircraft. Of course airworthiness directives are issued by the authorities (the FAA in the US), while "recalls" are from the manufacturers, but still...

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by hot_gril »

pbreit wrote: post #8

Are these "recalls" just simple over the air software updates? Just because car people are not used to this doesn't make it necessarily bad. Obviously no bugs are better than some bugs. But people here tend to know how software development works.

Recall means safety issue, which is necessarily bad. It's nice that they can fix these things over the air, but there was still some elevated risk before they caught it.

Despite this, seems like at least the regular Teslas are among the safest vehicles on the road all things considered.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by gibolt »

cableshaft wrote: post #158
gibolt wrote: post #39

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Trains will not enter American suburbs, nor will most truck drivers consider biking as a valid alternative. I'm all for better transit, but it doesn't change that the trucks/SUVs keep selling and getting more polluting, and will do so for decades as part of the fleet

Train stations are in many of the Chicago suburbs already and take on average 280,000[1] commuters to and from downtown Chicago on a daily basis (it's called the Metra system). Hell, I just found out those same commuter lines extend all the way north to Kenosha, Wisconsin, and east to South Bend, Indiana, so into neighboring states. I did know people who commuted to Chicago from Indiana everyday so that's not too sur…

They exist, but new ones aren't being regularly added...

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by masklinn »

bitwize wrote: post #45
relwin wrote: post #31

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Looks like a "Death Race 2000" El Camino...

Looks like the DeLorean from the latest Back to the Future video game... with a buggy level-of-detail algorithm.

It looks like 3D on 16 bit / 4th gen consoles. Straight out of StarFox.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by jmb99 »

BeefWellington wrote: post #101
YZF wrote: post #7

I saw my first Cybertruck the other day. It looked less weird in person than I expected it. It's a very different and new design. How many of the 91% we're comparing to are completely new designs. What's the correct benchmark? Let's rewrite the headline. "A radical new EV design from Tesla, the Cybertruck, is already ahead of 9% of all 2024 vehicles in quality as it just ramps up production". I'll likely never own th…

I'll never buy one but I suspect a lot of the "AHA GOTCHA" attitude coming from more traditional car-oriented media is coming from a place of not liking an upstart. There's just a lot of easy things to point at with the Cybertruck because of what was promised vs what was delivered. This happens with model cars from other manufacturers too though what changes there is often more looks than promised functionality.

There’s a pretty big difference between traditional auto markers’ “concept cars” and Tesla in 2019 showing off what was supposed to be very close to the final production car. It was also supposed to start at $40k, be bulletproof, have shatterproof glass (at least that one was discredited the minute it was announced), have a boat mode, have over 500mile range, and have a bed ramp. And it was supposed to have a “exoskeleton” design that, spoiler alert, isn’t possible. That was not “here’s this neat concept,” that was “this is the car we’re going to sell you.” Everyone (or at least, everyone in my bubble) knew that every single thing was BS (except maybe the ramp), but still nearly two million people with enough money for a pre-order gobbled it up.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by filmor »

lukah wrote: post #13
jmward01 wrote: post #5

Completely unrelated to safety, these vehicles don't look like they are aging well. They are all completely new but the ones I am seeing on the road already look a bit beat up. That finish on them and their general styling emphasize every minor blemish.

Car panels are convex on nearly all other cars for very good reason. Flat panels are structurally susceptible to damages which wouldn’t mark a standard panel. Adding a highly reflective surface was another great move.

There is a whole section in James May's review where he is confirming with a steel ruler that the surfaces are slightly convex :-)

https://youtu.be/CQzYhMDNLPA?t=216

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by hot_gril »

elmerfud wrote: post #20
pbreit wrote: post #9

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Could not disagree more. They are the freshest looking vehicles on the road.

To each their own on this matter because styling is a matter of taste. I remember the shift from the '70s style boxy cars to the mid to late '80s rounded style cars. I wasn't a fan of that new style when it came out but it did eventually grow on me. For me the cybertruck looks like something out of a low budget'70s Sci-Fi movie. Who knows in 10 years maybe it will start to appeal to me but for right now it doesn't.

Nah, it's objectively not good-looking, and in a few years it'll be more obvious. There are probably more than 0 people who still genuinely think the Pontiac Aztek looks good, and they're wrong.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by Tempest1981 »

anon373839 wrote: post #52
lukah wrote: post #13

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Car panels are convex on nearly all other cars for very good reason. Flat panels are structurally susceptible to damages which wouldn’t mark a standard panel. Adding a highly reflective surface was another great move.

Not only that, but the finish looks like trash, too. I'm seeing 10-20 Cybertrucks a day and almost all of them are weirdly splotchy and dull.

Curious what city that's in... I rarely see them.
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