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Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by tene80i »

71bw wrote: post #140
tene80i wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. It’s true that the smaller team has succeeded with uptime on the core service. It’s also true, however, that the platform is in serious decline, and that’s partly due to the product becoming more and more shitty over time. It turns out skeleton crews can’t make things that are nice to use. Have you tried the X mac app lately? It’s just horrible. Broken mod…

>It’s also true, however, that the platform is in serious decline, and that’s partly due to the product becoming more and more shitty over time. A vocal minority of leftists moving to Bluesky isn't a decline.

I was actually referring to the financial institutions who backed the takeover writing off ~75% of the value of their investment in the platform during Musk’s leadership, which predates the recent Bluesky enthusiasm.

But since you mention it: yes, a vocal minority of leftists moving to a new platform is indeed a decline! Get your politics out of it and think about what it means for a business. Part of twitter’s value was that it was where news broke, people made statements, etc. It was cited on the news. There was no other platform like that (except perhaps Instagram, usually with pop culture figures). There is indeed a small group of people who, if you lose them, cause enormous damage to a platform like Twitter, because for many people using it they are using it because of the other people using it. Network effects cut both ways.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Veserv wrote: post #61
pbreit wrote: post #8

Are these "recalls" just simple over the air software updates? Just because car people are not used to this doesn't make it necessarily bad. Obviously no bugs are better than some bugs. But people here tend to know how software development works.

This always comes up. A “recall” is not a description of the remediation, it is a description of the problem. A recall is a public dangerous defect notice. The dangerous product version can no longer be deployed, existing systems suffering from the dangerous defect are identified, and then the version with those dangerous defects is removed from the market with all due speed by either refunding, replacing, or remedia…

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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by instagraham »

shiroiushi wrote: post #114
rhyzomatic wrote: post #80

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Not an SRE but I admit to saying that I expected Twitter to have some serious outages in the coming months after firing all those people. Honestly, how did the remaining engineers at Twitter pull it off? I can't really imagine losing more than half of my coworkers and not having the wheels fall off pretty quickly.

Twitter was overstaffed, but much of the "extra" staff the elon fired weren't SREs keeping the systems running, they had to do with things like moderation. Elon doesn't believe in moderation, so out they went, and the skeleton crew was able to keep the site running, for the most part, but now the user experience has gone to hell unless you're a right-wing nutcase, so everyone who isn't is fleeing, as well as advertis…

a lot of what made X worse since Musk is not easily quantifiable. fewer high-quality posts, much higher spam, next to zero moderation, more misinfo - while it's possible to get some data on this, it's subjective enough that the fans will wave it away.

the problem is that Twitter has been such an invaluable part of the daily doomscroll that i suspect even those who have 'left' it for BlueSky or Threads are still opening X a few times a day - keeping those MAU numbers up.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by refulgentis »

ryzvonusef wrote: post #150
henry2023 wrote: post #108

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I think the parent comment classifies the F150 as dangerous not to the driver but to everyone around it.

exactly, Pedestrian safety of all american trucks is terrible, yet we don't hear about the big speeding wall that are the 'conventional' american truck... but apparently the cyber truck is a pedestrian predator they 'suddenly' discovered. Either do something about the terrible truck design... or shut up and tolerate the cyber truck like you tolerate the F150 EV or whatever. Fluff like this just pollutes the EV news s…

Well, no, not exactly, you literally just wrote another reply, right below, explicitly saying no, you didn't mean weight, you meant people talking about the slicing edges of the cybertruck.

It's not the front shape or slicing people. It's the weight. I have no idea why you think anyone is hand-wringing about slicing people. No one thinks slicing people with hard edges is the problem.

It makes sense if you're A) mad about All Duh People Lying About Slicing Car or B) Actually All Heavy Cars Are Bad. You are stuck on saying A but wanting to make sense, as in B, which is at least internally coherent and reality-based, if purist.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by cableshaft »

gibolt wrote: post #39
andrepd wrote: post #29

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> Getting those gas guzzling truck owners to go electric would be nice too. Congratulations, you solved 1 issue related to car dependency and proliferation of huge vehicles, namely tailpipe emissions. Now the other 99 remain. The solution to gas guzzling trucks is "boring", it's good trains, it's protected bike lanes in urban environments, it's smaller and safer cars in less dense environments, etc. But these things…

Trains will not enter American suburbs, nor will most truck drivers consider biking as a valid alternative. I'm all for better transit, but it doesn't change that the trucks/SUVs keep selling and getting more polluting, and will do so for decades as part of the fleet

Train stations are in many of the Chicago suburbs already and take on average 280,000[1] commuters to and from downtown Chicago on a daily basis (it's called the Metra system).

Hell, I just found out those same commuter lines extend all the way north to Kenosha, Wisconsin, and east to South Bend, Indiana, so into neighboring states. I did know people who commuted to Chicago from Indiana everyday so that's not too surprising.

[1]: https://metra.com/ridership-data

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by tromp »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

The article notes that the most recent recall was a physical one, not a software update, and implies that that was unusual. I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then?

Recalls come in two types, soft recalls that can be fixed by a software update, and hard recalls that cannot. Many people are still not used to regarding the former as recalls, as they associate the word not with the safety issue itself but the way it gets resolved. It would be nice for articles discussing recalls to point out what type it entails, both for being more immediately informative, and to get people used to software updates being able to qualify as recalls.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by graemep »

imiric wrote: post #107
stackghost wrote: post #66

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>I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then? Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? It gives the impression you think this makes it somehow lesser. The cybertruck, for example, was subject to a recall because the rearview camera wouldn't come up, but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. That's a safety issue, irrespec…

The problem is that those issues shouldn't happen on a public road vehicle to begin with. Tesla's approach is shipping beta software to customers, and using them as testers. This is an insidious practice in modern software development, but is criminal when that software is running a 3-ton vehicle, regardless if it can be fixed with an OTA update or not. There are reasons why strict car safety regulations exist. You c…

I wonder whether OTA updates being possible encourages manufacturers to be sloppy with software quality.

They know they can fix problems cheaply. If they had to physically update vehicles they would have a lot more incentive to make updates unnecessary.

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