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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by eigart »

stackghost wrote: post #66
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

The article notes that the most recent recall was a physical one, not a software update, and implies that that was unusual. I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then?

>I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then? Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? It gives the impression you think this makes it somehow lesser. The cybertruck, for example, was subject to a recall because the rearview camera wouldn't come up, but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. That's a safety issue, irrespec…

Yeah, software recalls are recalls. The car has steer by wire, so even steering wheel issues could be ”just” a software recall.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by judofyr »

damon_c wrote: post #106
noapologies wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Are safety issues not "serious"?

The word recall sort of implies that the vehicle is recalled to the manufacturer. Calling a software update that happens in your garage at night and takes 20 minutes a “recall” definitely is worthy of quotes.

The word bug sort of implies that the device was struck by a terrestrial arthropod animal. Calling a software defect that happens due to a programming error a "bug" definitely is worthy of quotes.

(The etymology of a word can be quite different from its current meaning today.)

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by rickdeckard »

justinclift wrote: post #90
stackghost wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then? Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? It gives the impression you think this makes it somehow lesser. The cybertruck, for example, was subject to a recall because the rearview camera wouldn't come up, but the mirrors are insufficient to back the vehicle up safely without the camera. That's a safety issue, irrespec…

> Why have you put "recalls" in quotes? Maybe because an over-the-air update is hard to seriously consider a "recall"?

At the very least, it puts the quality control of Tesla in question, as those are failures which should have been caught PRIOR to a commercial launch.

Tesla is treating its product-launches like it's just some browser-game in the cloud, instead of treating it as what it is: The handover of a 6000 pound bullet into the hand of a customer who will fire it into a crowd in expectation to not hit anyone...

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by clarionbell »

bboygravity wrote: post #15
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

The article notes that the most recent recall was a physical one, not a software update, and implies that that was unusual. I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then?

If that's indeed it, I would rank the article as worse than 91 percent of ordinary boring Elon and Tesla bashing in 2024. I guess on a positive note they stopped posting that Tesla is almost bankrupt for the 1000th time because Elon.

Elon continues to baffle by avoiding bankruptcy.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by jmb99 »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #89
renewiltord wrote: post #27

Dude, the thing with these things is that the breathlessness has already exhausted belief. Supposedly Tesla Y was a terrible thing, supposedly everyone was going to die in the heat under the Tesla tent, supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. Nothing happened. Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it. So I’m going to file this under “internet hates guy; tries to make it sound like he makes bad th…

All the hate comes from deranged people who have never driven a Tesla, let alone had one. They take any negative story and spin it forever.

I have driven a model 3 and it is hands down the worst 45k (CAD) car I’ve ever driven. Horrible ride quality, uncomfortable seats, terrible (in my opinion - beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose) and slightly dangerous interior, not really all that fast compared to other cars in the price bracket. I’ve also ridden in one with 100k km and it was falling apart - even ignoring the interior, the suspension was horrid (you shouldn’t need new shocks and springs all around after less than 100k lm of driving), the paint was faded to crap, panel gaps were notably worse than when the same car was new.

They are a 15k car at best with 20k worth of batteries masquerading as a nice car. They’re not. They’re a reasonably cost-effective EV, compared to the rest of the market, but they’re not even close to gas cars in the same price range when it comes to anything other than cost per mile.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by daghamm »

Aeolun wrote: post #116
imiric wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that those issues shouldn't happen on a public road vehicle to begin with. Tesla's approach is shipping beta software to customers, and using them as testers. This is an insidious practice in modern software development, but is criminal when that software is running a 3-ton vehicle, regardless if it can be fixed with an OTA update or not. There are reasons why strict car safety regulations exist. You c…

I completely agree, but saying it's a 'recall' when your car sits in your driveway still feels entirely wrong.

"recall" is a legal term, it means the vehicle is not road-legal and requires immediate action.

Doesn't really matter if it hw, sw or maybe even the owners manual that needs to be changed ASAP.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by saghm »

Aeolun wrote: post #116
imiric wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that those issues shouldn't happen on a public road vehicle to begin with. Tesla's approach is shipping beta software to customers, and using them as testers. This is an insidious practice in modern software development, but is criminal when that software is running a 3-ton vehicle, regardless if it can be fixed with an OTA update or not. There are reasons why strict car safety regulations exist. You c…

I completely agree, but saying it's a 'recall' when your car sits in your driveway still feels entirely wrong.

I'm not sure I agree. From the perspective of a customer, not being able to drive the car due to it being unsafe is the part that matters, not where and how the manufacturer has to fix it.

If you're opposed to it based on the assumption that it wouldn't take as long, I agree that might be true, but by that logic we should be categorizing _all_ recalls based on length (regardless of whether it's a software update or otherwise), since I'm not convinced that the average length of time until a problem is fixed will always be perfectly split with the software ones being super quick and the ones that would need to happen in person being super slow. What if the mechanics are already aware of how to fix the issue and can do it the same day, or if the software issue turns out to take a long time due to the developers needing a lot of time to fix the bug?

If you're opposed to it purely from the perspective of linguistics and "recall" sounds like "return to the manufacturer", I think I'd disagree due to the word "recall" not being super commonly used for that in other circumstances. If anything, the other usage of the word that springs to mind most readily to me is recalling someone or something "from service", which I think fits perfectly here.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by purplethinking »

riffraff wrote: post #88
renewiltord wrote: post #27

Dude, the thing with these things is that the breathlessness has already exhausted belief. Supposedly Tesla Y was a terrible thing, supposedly everyone was going to die in the heat under the Tesla tent, supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. Nothing happened. Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it. So I’m going to file this under “internet hates guy; tries to make it sound like he makes bad th…

> supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. I agree people tend to overreact and overblow expected consequences, but I mean, twitter's valuation is down 80%[0] and they haven't released anything new in two years, after exhausting the backlog of already developed things. It's not going great. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2024/09/30/elon-musk...

Valuation has no relevance to the layoffs. The valuation is down because brands left due to Elon's politics.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by jmb99 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #74
stephen_g wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word 'utility' in the comment you're replying to specifically means how the design functions, not how it looks. For example, it's a truck that's design makes it worse for carrying cargo in the tray than a standard truck.

> word 'utility' specifically means how it functions, not how it looks Yes. Not offering utility in design is common in cars. Most people don’t buy a truck to haul. Most people don’t buy an off-roader to go off road. (Most people don’t buy a sports car to race.)

Even taken at face value:

> Most people don’t buy a truck to haul.

But if they do need to haul or tow something, they can.

> Most people don’t buy an off-roader to go off road.

But if they do need to go off-road, they can.

> Most people don’t buy a sports car to race.

Sports cars can be enjoyed (relatively) legally on the street. Quick acceleration combined with very good handling and a sense of connection to the road is a feeling you can enjoy at 55mph. Many people won’t drive their sports cars to the limit, but they are still a more enjoyable driving experience than a regular car for people who care about that.

A cybertruck can’t really haul things, it can’t really tow things, and it can’t be that fun to drive. I hope it’s at least comfortable, but based on my experience with their other vehicles, I doubt it.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by 71bw »

tene80i wrote: post #84
renewiltord wrote: post #27

Dude, the thing with these things is that the breathlessness has already exhausted belief. Supposedly Tesla Y was a terrible thing, supposedly everyone was going to die in the heat under the Tesla tent, supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. Nothing happened. Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it. So I’m going to file this under “internet hates guy; tries to make it sound like he makes bad th…

> supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. It’s true that the smaller team has succeeded with uptime on the core service. It’s also true, however, that the platform is in serious decline, and that’s partly due to the product becoming more and more shitty over time. It turns out skeleton crews can’t make things that are nice to use. Have you tried the X mac app lately? It’s just horrible. Broken mod…

>It’s also true, however, that the platform is in serious decline, and that’s partly due to the product becoming more and more shitty over time.

A vocal minority of leftists moving to Bluesky isn't a decline.

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