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Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by _yb2s »

davisr wrote: post #51
_yb2s wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TSA will punish you for opting out of anything. If you're lucky, the least they will do is hold you up a long time so you have a good chance of missing your flight. I've also had them sexually harass me, and confiscate (e.g. steal) legal items in retaliation for opting out of things I had the legal right to opt out of. They know people are in a hurry and won't do anything about being treated unethically or illegally,…

I always opt out of the scanner (even have a special shirt [1]), and without fail they always stand me by the intake (radio-leaky-end) of the baggage x-ray machine for 5+ minutes. [1]: https://www.davisr.me/projects/art/tsashirt.jpg

Just saw this one- love the guy's eye contact also. He knows how to stand up to fascist jerks.

https://preview.redd.it/travel-safe-for-thanksgiving-v0-i3ja...

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by K0HAX »

akira2501 wrote: post #96
paxys wrote: post #75

So a bipartisan group of Senators can write a letter to the TSA speaking out against a policy but not get themselves to bring it to the floor and vote against it? Which is, you know, their actual job? Hard to think of their intentions as anything more than theater for their voter base.

You write a letter and hopefully that solves it. You then hold a committee meeting and hopefully that solves it. You finally change federal law and usually that solves it. If it doesn't you have to start arresting people to foment change. This is not a gentle tool.

Being subtle never works.

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by pxeboot »

EasyMark wrote: post #110
morpheuskafka wrote: post #69

I don't like TSA or the US security state, but I really find it hard to see why this has attracted so much attention. When you enter the airport, you're surrounded by cameras from numerous government and commercial entities, no doubt performing facial recognition. When you get to your destination, your photo will be taken by the destination country plus countless other surveillance cameras along the way. And unless y…

Because they are using more than just a 2d photo, these things are taking almost microscopic details in. I just pay the devil and ask for the personal treatment and skip these things. These are not potato quality and the government isn’t as backward at tech as you think. Remember when you’re dealing with cops there is nothing you can say or do that will be to your advantage in court , the same goes in real life. Skip…

At all the airports I have been through using this system, the device in use appeared to be a Logitech webcam. I doubt the resolution is higher than 1080p.

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by applied_heat »

X-Istence wrote: post #90
netsharc wrote: post #12

When entering China, they take your fingerprints, iris, and I guess face too... I was there in 2019, at one point I was at an airport, and a screen was bragging, "Stand where the camera can see your face, and we'll tell you which way to your gate.". It worked too, the screen displayed my name, flight number and direction to my gate. And implicitly, "We can identify you wherever you are.".

When entering the United States they also take fingerprints and a picture of your face.

Canadians don’t have their finger prints taken when entering USA

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by akira2501 »

K0HAX wrote: post #122
akira2501 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You write a letter and hopefully that solves it. You then hold a committee meeting and hopefully that solves it. You finally change federal law and usually that solves it. If it doesn't you have to start arresting people to foment change. This is not a gentle tool.

Being subtle never works.

Of course it does. There are thousands of documented examples of this precise process working and producing good results.

Government _is_ the people. It's inappropriate to use it as a tool to bully the people.

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by SoftTalker »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #37
mingus88 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, not to mention the availability of public social media photos. To think that every intelligence agency on earth hasn’t already trained FR across their databases of IDs and material voluntarily uploaded by themselves and their family/friends… One reason I left Facebook early on was that I didn’t like getting tagged in photos the next morning after everyone would get home from parties. Too bad for me, as long a…

> One reason I left Facebook early on was that I didn’t like getting tagged in photos the next morning after everyone would get home from parties. Too bad for me, as long as you have a friend who don’t value your privacy, there is nothing you can do about it. I hated this too, but there was an option to disable it. I know because I used it for that very reason. I don't know if they removed it; I left Facebook probabl…

Disabling never really disables. It just appears that way. Just as nothing is ever really deleted on those platforms.

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by LtWorf »

thisisnotauser wrote: post #109
mu53 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facial recognition systems like this are used everywhere in china. Its common for gates in apartment buildings. Its just how things work there. It feel more malicious to pretend its not happening

There's a famous saying about Mussolini making the trains run on time. The joke was that anyone who complained about the trains running late, which was an endemic issue emblematic of the financial failures of fascism (his government system), was killed. But if you didn't complain about the trains, maybe because you didn't take them, you didn't get killed. It was fine. Maybe things are actually kinda bad, but you're j…

> And if the gov't is spying on us with facial recognition, we're going to stop them.

I wish I still had this childish optimism.

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 »

X-Istence wrote: post #90
netsharc wrote: post #12

When entering China, they take your fingerprints, iris, and I guess face too... I was there in 2019, at one point I was at an airport, and a screen was bragging, "Stand where the camera can see your face, and we'll tell you which way to your gate.". It worked too, the screen displayed my name, flight number and direction to my gate. And implicitly, "We can identify you wherever you are.".

When entering the United States they also take fingerprints and a picture of your face.

...unless you're a US citizen, correct?

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by semiquaver »

Animats wrote: post #72

Senators should not be complaining about this. Congress required the TSA to check identity, and soon, REAL ID will be required to fly in the US, even domestically. So what's their problem with doing it effectively?

> REAL ID will be required to fly

I’ll believe it when I see it. Something like six “final deadlines” have passed for this to happen, and every time it’s kicked years down the road. It’s an unfounded mandate with real end-user costs (in my state an REAL ID costs twice as much to obtain) that no longer seems to have a base of support in Congress.

Re: Senators say TSA's facial recognition program is out of control

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Post by stavros »

_yb2s wrote: post #36
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #2

I was shocked to see this program arrive in my local airport. I opt out every time, but the horrifying thing is that almost everyone simply complies with whatever is asked of them. The TSA agents use phrasing that make it seem like you are supposed to go through the facial recognition process and don’t have a choice. Yes, there are tiny signs scattered around that say you can opt out. But when the officer says “step…

TSA will punish you for opting out of anything. If you're lucky, the least they will do is hold you up a long time so you have a good chance of missing your flight. I've also had them sexually harass me, and confiscate (e.g. steal) legal items in retaliation for opting out of things I had the legal right to opt out of. They know people are in a hurry and won't do anything about being treated unethically or illegally,…

> "I'd bet you opted out because you like this."

"You're damn right I like it, usually I have to pay for it."

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