Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

I Stopped Using OpenBSD

dataswamp.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

71–80 of 81 posts

Re: I Stopped Using OpenBSD

#71

Post by Gud »

jwrallie wrote: post #61
walrus01 wrote: post #8

Something like 99% of the use cases I've seen for OpenBSD are servers that have no keyboard, mouse, video, audio or other plugged into them. It's completely unsurprising that bluetooth and gamepad support isn't a priority.

That might be true, still to defend OpenBSD, it’s smooth sailing trying to run a desktop on OpenBSD compared to let’s say FreeBSD. The rumor is that OpenBSD devs run it on Thinkpads while most FreeBSD devs are using MacOS as their main OS.

Hard disagree here. I run FreeBSD and OpenBSD both since 20+ years. My current laptop has FreeBSD installed and OpenBSD virtualized for the better wifi drivers. FreeBSD is the clear leader on the desktop.

Re: I Stopped Using OpenBSD

#73

Post by Vilian »

1oooqooq wrote: post #25
eyberg wrote: post #18

> flatpak: I really like software distribution done with flatpak, packages are all running in their own namespace, they can't access all the file system, you can roll back to a previous version, and do some interesting stuff As of today flatpak still has holes you can drive a truck through.

flatpack for isolation is a joke. All the file duplication, none of the security. Not to mention nothing that depends on camera, screen cap, etc will ever get close to working. Just accepting there's no easy solution, and do aparmour+firejail. It's awful user experience, but at least only once per application. Then it is perfect. There should be a distro like qubes but where everything must have either a firejail pro…

"Let's blame flatpak for softwares that don't support it"

Re: I Stopped Using OpenBSD

#75

Post by asveikau »

maximilianburke wrote: post #9

Journaling filesystems have been around for decades now; I don't think I've had a data loss incident since I stopped using Windows 98? I know it's volunteer driven but it seems like working on data integrity might be more of a benefit for security than some of the gimmicks like TRAPSLED.

> I don't think I've had a data loss incident since I stopped using Windows 98?

Data loss from a kernel crash or power loss, sure, have not seen that in some time.

However data loss from disk failure is something I've seen in the current century. I started using ZFS in my home network when I began to see that at home. I haven't had anything major that ZFS with redundancy couldn't recover since.

Re: I Stopped Using OpenBSD

#76

Post by asveikau »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #49
1oooqooq wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most setups nowadays do full disk encryption outside of the FS, so the journal doesn't help much. If you have SSD->LUKS->GPT->LVM->Ext4, then a bug on any of the (newer, buggier) components before your journaled FS means you lost data.

> If you have SSD->LUKS->GPT->LVM->Ext4, then a bug on any of the (newer, buggier) components before your journaled FS means you lost data And yet it's never happened to me. Dozens upon dozens of systems. Linux or Windows or Mac for that matter. I've toted around a laptop with whole disk encryption for > 15 years and never lost data. Not once. Even after a forced power off. I have, however, lost data to major FS corr…

> Still using ancient MBR and legacy boot because, well, OpenBSD.

All this does is tell me you're young for such a hostile tone towards recently dominant, mildly deprecated tech. It wasn't too long ago that UEFI didn't really work well. I did 3 BIOS to UEFI migrations in the last year or so, on Linux, FreeBSD and Windows, because those machines booted bios up to recently.

Re: I Stopped Using OpenBSD

#77

Post by 1oooqooq »

Gud wrote: post #70
1oooqooq wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BSDs bet on permissive license hoping companies would drop code on them. Turned out companies were either using linux or dumping abandoned code as GPL to strategically keep out of competitors. BSD licenses were a thing before GPL lost the final battle, when linus accepted the tainted-kernel compromise. Now it's a relic of a bygone time, which show allegiance to a side on a war that no longer matters.

A "relic" lol really? Better tell that to nginx and postgresql

databases move slow and nginx is already went the way of apache.

Re: I Stopped Using OpenBSD

#78

Post by 1oooqooq »

Vilian wrote: post #73
1oooqooq wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

flatpack for isolation is a joke. All the file duplication, none of the security. Not to mention nothing that depends on camera, screen cap, etc will ever get close to working. Just accepting there's no easy solution, and do aparmour+firejail. It's awful user experience, but at least only once per application. Then it is perfect. There should be a distro like qubes but where everything must have either a firejail pro…

"Let's blame flatpak for softwares that don't support it"

best argument I've heard against my points so far. but still, since the other solutions require the same amount of work for isolation, the only real benefit of flatpak is bundling soon-to-be-outdate dependencies.

Re: I Stopped Using OpenBSD

#80

Post by makz »

The way I see it, there’s conflict between her professional goals and her hacking goals.

The way I avoid that is by keeping that separate. But might not be for everyone.

Post reply on HN