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A century later, a taped message solves the mystery of a WWI doughboy's death

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Re: A century later, a taped message solves the mystery of a WWI doughboy's death

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe this disarmed part is referring to the nukes Ukraine used to hold, specifically. On the other point, Russia intends to hold the territory and integrate the civilian population they conquer while Israel seems less interested in incorporating Gazans as equal Israeli citizens any time soon. (Not defending Russia but I suspect the different motives lead to different outcomes).

> while Israel seems less interested in incorporating Gazans as equal Israeli citizens any time soon. Israel doesn't want to control Gaza. Israel want to coexist peacefully with it and has been willing to go very far and take risks to achieve that. This is very clear when you study its relation with Egypt, Jordan and Gaza. The fact that Jordan and Egypt has not seen a single attack after they stopped attacking Israel…

    - Israel left infrastructure behind 
You mean they decided not to destroy it all? They caused billions of damage to EU funded infrastructure even before they invaded Gaza.

Re: A century later, a taped message solves the mystery of a WWI doughboy's death

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"It has been said that history repeats itself. This is perhaps not quite correct; it merely rhymes." - Theodor Reik The same tragic, traumatic events are being "rhymed" now in Ukraine. Yeah, perhaps we're tired of hearing it - but I'm writing this because after 110 years of industrialized warfare, our institutions and systems have still not restructured themselves to prevent these cascades of events. The consequences…

>" And most of us on HN have a healthy, deeply internalized sense of morality." Really. I's say sense of delusion. I think that ratio of assholes to normal is about the same in highly educated vs your regular factory workers. >"I really hope some of us will branch out into politics or other power-positions in those institutions, and start knocking people's heads together." Sure. PhD in physics, that's all it takes fo…

The short version is: people get really stupid once they go outside their field of expertise.

Re: A century later, a taped message solves the mystery of a WWI doughboy's death

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"It has been said that history repeats itself. This is perhaps not quite correct; it merely rhymes." - Theodor Reik The same tragic, traumatic events are being "rhymed" now in Ukraine. Yeah, perhaps we're tired of hearing it - but I'm writing this because after 110 years of industrialized warfare, our institutions and systems have still not restructured themselves to prevent these cascades of events. The consequences…

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I assume your nickname was supposed to be sarcastic, but man... "Regarding genocide, here is zero evidence of that." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukr...

I invite you to pay attention to the "Evidence of genocidal intent" chapter. The same intent that Israel lacks.

Re: A century later, a taped message solves the mystery of a WWI doughboy's death

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post #21
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> while Israel seems less interested in incorporating Gazans as equal Israeli citizens any time soon. Israel doesn't want to control Gaza. Israel want to coexist peacefully with it and has been willing to go very far and take risks to achieve that. This is very clear when you study its relation with Egypt, Jordan and Gaza. The fact that Jordan and Egypt has not seen a single attack after they stopped attacking Israel…

- Israel left infrastructure behind You mean they decided not to destroy it all? They caused billions of damage to EU funded infrastructure even before they invaded Gaza.

No, they mean that Israel left infrastructure behind. They mean exactly what they say.

Re: A century later, a taped message solves the mystery of a WWI doughboy's death

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"It has been said that history repeats itself. This is perhaps not quite correct; it merely rhymes." - Theodor Reik The same tragic, traumatic events are being "rhymed" now in Ukraine. Yeah, perhaps we're tired of hearing it - but I'm writing this because after 110 years of industrialized warfare, our institutions and systems have still not restructured themselves to prevent these cascades of events. The consequences…

> I'll be quite clear about it: a nuclear superpower invaded a disarmed neighbor, and is currently committing genocide on its territory. This is unquestionably, unconscionably, unacceptably wrong.

Gee, when you put it like that, why are we waiting to conscript my only son and send him to die in foreign lands?

Re: A century later, a taped message solves the mystery of a WWI doughboy's death

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"It has been said that history repeats itself. This is perhaps not quite correct; it merely rhymes." - Theodor Reik The same tragic, traumatic events are being "rhymed" now in Ukraine. Yeah, perhaps we're tired of hearing it - but I'm writing this because after 110 years of industrialized warfare, our institutions and systems have still not restructured themselves to prevent these cascades of events. The consequences…

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And why do countries want to join NATO?

BECAUSE OF RUSSIAN THREAT.

Re: A century later, a taped message solves the mystery of a WWI doughboy's death

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"It has been said that history repeats itself. This is perhaps not quite correct; it merely rhymes." - Theodor Reik The same tragic, traumatic events are being "rhymed" now in Ukraine. Yeah, perhaps we're tired of hearing it - but I'm writing this because after 110 years of industrialized warfare, our institutions and systems have still not restructured themselves to prevent these cascades of events. The consequences…

> I'll be quite clear about it: a nuclear superpower invaded a disarmed neighbor, and is currently committing genocide on its territory. This is unquestionably, unconscionably, unacceptably wrong. Gee, when you put it like that, why are we waiting to conscript my only son and send him to die in foreign lands?

Foreign lands? We all live on the same planet.

Re: A century later, a taped message solves the mystery of a WWI doughboy's death

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post #13

"It has been said that history repeats itself. This is perhaps not quite correct; it merely rhymes." - Theodor Reik The same tragic, traumatic events are being "rhymed" now in Ukraine. Yeah, perhaps we're tired of hearing it - but I'm writing this because after 110 years of industrialized warfare, our institutions and systems have still not restructured themselves to prevent these cascades of events. The consequences…

>" And most of us on HN have a healthy, deeply internalized sense of morality." Really. I's say sense of delusion. I think that ratio of assholes to normal is about the same in highly educated vs your regular factory workers. >"I really hope some of us will branch out into politics or other power-positions in those institutions, and start knocking people's heads together." Sure. PhD in physics, that's all it takes fo…

Among academics programmers might have the worst asshole ratio of all. Is there any group that is even close?

Maybe there being so much money in programming changed that a bit. It seems like it was worse when people become programmers out of interest mainly.

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"Sixteen years old when I went to the war To fight for a land fit for heroes God on my side, and a gun in my hand Chasing my days down to zero"--Motorhead, 1916 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTG6I3jxdnc

There is a lot of really phenomenal metal based around WWI for anybody else interested. Bands like 1914 (sings exclusively about WWI, from Ukraine) and Warbringer (a couple of songs specifically about WWI) come to mind.

Great fairly modern metal about war : Sabaton. Try 1914 the song

Re: A century later, a taped message solves the mystery of a WWI doughboy's death

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe this disarmed part is referring to the nukes Ukraine used to hold, specifically. On the other point, Russia intends to hold the territory and integrate the civilian population they conquer while Israel seems less interested in incorporating Gazans as equal Israeli citizens any time soon. (Not defending Russia but I suspect the different motives lead to different outcomes).

> while Israel seems less interested in incorporating Gazans as equal Israeli citizens any time soon. Israel doesn't want to control Gaza. Israel want to coexist peacefully with it and has been willing to go very far and take risks to achieve that. This is very clear when you study its relation with Egypt, Jordan and Gaza. The fact that Jordan and Egypt has not seen a single attack after they stopped attacking Israel…

>Israel doesn't want to control Gaza. Israel want to coexist peacefully with it and has been willing to go very far and take risks to achieve that.

I think it's good to apply Mearsheimer's realist thinking here, and the intention is obviously clear that Israel does not want peace with Gaza as that would require recognition of a Palestinian state as the PLO had wanted since the 70s, which is a non-starter. Instead, as Israel has recognized, it is in its best interest to ethnically cleanse Gaza, either through outright murder of tens of thousands of civilians or rendering the strip uninhabitable to force the Gazans out. Many Gazans live in tents since their homes were destroyed by the Israeli military, and I doubt Israel will allow for any meaningful reconstruction once the war on Gaza is over, and will probably welcome the remaining Gazans fleeing the inhospitable conditions.

This will probably also open up space for new settlements in Gaza that many politicians have already started proposing.

You have to realize that most Israelis (~75%, and this figure includes Arabs) are in favour of the war, and IIRC half are in favour of expelling the Arabs altogether. I don't think we'd see much objection to this course of events within Israel itself.

>The fact that Jordan and Egypt has not seen a single attack after they stopped attacking Israel is well known.

It is interesting you mention this, because during the Israeli occupation of the Sinai penninsula in 1967, Egypt attempted to resolve the issue diplomatically, mediated by Gunnar Jarring. Their request was simply the Sinai in return for recognition of Israel and cessation of hostilities. Israel refused these conditions. Egypt eventually attacked in October 1973 and (much to Israel's surprise) was able to retake enough of the Sinai to call Israel's military domination into question. I think Rabin said that Egypt was enough of a threat that it needed to be neutralized, which is what the Camp David Accords did. It was literally through attacking Israel that Egypt was able to achieve the diplomatic solution it wanted from the start.

>Israel wanted Gaza to succeed and forcefully removed their own people

The Palestinians materially gained nothing from disengagement (in fact, they were blockaded and bombed during Cast Lead and Pillar of Defense despite the "disengagement"), but the Israelis were able to alleviate enough American pressure for a peace process that could potentially result in Palestinian statehood. Not to mention a costly military occupation could be stopped and Jewish settlements in one of the most densely populated regions of the world (i.e. a disaster waiting to happen) could be dismantled.

I don't think benevolence towards Gazans had any role in the decision for disengagement, considering the overall Israeli indifference towards the suffering of the Gazans.

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