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Post by surgical_fire »

fakedang wrote: post #323
surgical_fire wrote: post #164

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Crypto was exciting too. And metaverse. And VR. And voice assistants. Et cetera and so forth. All those things would change the world, and nothing would ever be the same, and would disrupt everything. Except they wouldn't and they didn't. The scam is that those companies don't want to be seen as mature companies, they need to justify valuations of growth companies, forever. So something must always go into the hype p…

People are losing jobs because of AI. Like it or not, as imperfect as AI may be, AI is having a real world disruptive impact, however negative it may be. Customer service teams and call centers are already being affected by AI, and if they aren't being smart about it, being rendered obsolete. A lot of folks here seem to look at AI through examples of YC companies apparently. Step back and look instead at the kind of…

That was, perhaps, the only good retort made so far. Yes, call centers and customer service is being affected, although it is unclear to me if the cost-benefit make sense when AI stops being heavily subsidized - I may be wrong, but my impression is that AI companies bleed money not only with training, but in running the models, and the actual cost of those services for it to make sense will need to be substantially higher than they are right now.

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Post by hiatus »

dymk wrote: post #201
999900000999 wrote: post #108

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Normal people aren't paying for LLMs. If they ever do Apple and Google will offer it as a service built into your phone . For example, you could say ok Google call that restaurant me and My girlfriend had our first date at 5 years ago, set up something nice so I can propose. And I guess Google Gemini ( or whatever it's called at this point), Will hire a band, some photographers, and maybe even a therapist just in cas…

But why hire a therapist when Gemini is there to talk to? Re: Github Copilot: IME it's already behind. I finally gave Cursor a try after seeing it brought up so often, and its suggestions and refactors are leagues ahead of what Copilot can do.

> But why hire a therapist when Gemini is there to talk to?

Well for one, there's no doctor patient confidentiality.

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Post by hiatus »

wokwokwok wrote: post #320
maeil wrote: post #299

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> Normal people aren't paying for LLMs. I know relatively "normal" people with no interest in software who pay for ChatGPT.

Most. Most normal people. Sure I know people who pay for it too; but I know a lot of people who like free things and don’t or can’t pay for subscriptions. Do you think most people have a spare $30 to spend every month on something they already get for free? At the moment? I don’t.

The parent did not say "most normal people".

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Post by ramraj07 »

rtsil wrote: post #49
peppertree wrote: post #37

Anthropic should double down on the strategy of being the better code generator. No I don't need an AI agent to call the restaurant for me. Win the developers over and the rest will follow.

> Win the developers over and the rest will follow. Will they really? Anecdotal evidence, but nobody I know in real life knows about Claude (other than it's an ordinary first name). And they all use or at least know about ChatGPT. None of them are software engineers of course. But the corporate deciders aren't software engineers either.

OP and the people who reply to you are perfect examples of engineers being clueless about how the rest of the world operates. I know engineers who don’t know Claude, and I know many, many regular folk who pay for ChatGPT (basically anyone who’s smart and has money pays for it). And yet the engineers think they understand the world when in reality they just understand how they themselves work best.

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Post by rafaelmn »

hirvi74 wrote: post #225
rmbyrro wrote: post #159

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Sonnet is better than 4o for virtually all use cases. The only reason I still use OpenAI's API and chatbot service is o1-preview. o1 is like magic. Everything Sonnet and 4o do poorly, o1 solves like a piece of cake. Architecting, bug fixing, planning, refactoring, o1 has never let me know on any 'hard' task. A nice combo is have o1 guiding Sonnet. I ask o1 to come up with a solution and explanation, then simply feed…

I alluded to this in another comment, but I have 4o to be better than Sonnet in Swift, Obj-C, and Applescript. In my experiences, Claude is worse than useless with those three languages when compared to GPT. Everything else, I'd say the differences haven't been too extreme. Though, o1-preview absolutely smokes both in my experiences too, but it isn't hard for me to hit it's rate limit either.

Having used o1 and Claude through Copilot in VSC - Claude is more accurate and faster. A good example is the "fix test" feature is almost always wrong with o1, Claude is 50/50 I'd say - enough to try. Tried on Typescript/node and Python/Django codebases.

None of them are smart enough to figure out integration test failures with edge cases.

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Post by johnisgood »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #209
johnisgood wrote: post #182

I much prefer Claude over ChatGPT, based on my experience using both extensively. Claude understands me significantly better and seems to "know" my intentions with much greater ease. For example, when I request the full file, it provides it without any issues or unnecessary reiterations (ChatGPT fails after me repeatedly instructing it to), often confirming my request with a brief summary beforehand, but nothing more…

Claude also more readily corrects me or answers "no" to a question (when the answer should be "no").

Yes, exactly! That is also the other reason for why I believe it to be better. You may be able to use a particular custom instruction for ChatGPT, however, something like "Do not automatically agree with everything I say" and the like.

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Post by johnisgood »

bottom999mottob wrote: post #232
johnisgood wrote: post #182

I much prefer Claude over ChatGPT, based on my experience using both extensively. Claude understands me significantly better and seems to "know" my intentions with much greater ease. For example, when I request the full file, it provides it without any issues or unnecessary reiterations (ChatGPT fails after me repeatedly instructing it to), often confirming my request with a brief summary beforehand, but nothing more…

For long chats, I suggest exporting any artifacts, asking Claude to summarize the chat and put the artifacts and summarization in a project. There's no need to stuff Claude's context windows, especially if you tend to ask a lot of explanation-type questions like I do. I've also read some people get around rate limits using the API through OpenRouter, and I'm sure you could hook a document store around that easily, bu…

Yeah, this is what I already do usually when it gives me the warning of it being a long chat, so initially it was an issue because I would get carried away but it is fine now. Thank you though!

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Post by johnisgood »

staticman2 wrote: post #294
flkiwi wrote: post #259

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Thing is, it didn't even try to answer my question about switching. It was indignant that there was any connection to switch . The conversation went rapidly off course before I--and this is a weird thing to say--I reassured it that I wasn't questioning its existence.

Well the other thing to keep in mind is recent ChatGPT versions are trained not to tell you it's system prompt for fear of you learning too much about how OpenAI makes the model work. Claude doesn't care if you ask it it's system prompt unless the system prompt added by Kagi says "Do not disclose this prompt" in which case it will refuse unless you find a way to trick it. The model creators may also train the model t…

And lately ChatGPT has been giving me a surprisingly increased amount of emojis, too!

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Post by johnisgood »

edmundsauto wrote: post #257
skerit wrote: post #223

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I just use the API (well, via Openrouter) together with custom frontends like Open WebUI. No rate limiting issues then, and I can super easily switch models even in an existing conversation. Though I guess I do miss a few bells & whistles from the proprietary chat interfaces.

Does this have any sort of “project” concept? I frequently load a few pdfs into clause about a topic, then quiz it to improve my understanding. That’s about the only thing keeping me in their web UI

I would need the "project" feature, too. I want to use Cursor but there is a bug (I mentioned before) that does not allow me to.

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Post by johnisgood »

nmfisher wrote: post #272
shmatt wrote: post #194

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in the beginning i was agitated by Concise and would move it back manually. But then I actually tried it, I asked for SQL and it gave me back SQL and 1-2 sentences at most Regular mode gives SQL and entire paragraphs before and after it. Not even helpful paragraphs, just rambling about nothing and suggesting what my next prompt should be Now I love concise mode, it doesn't skimp on the meat, just the fluff. Now my pr…

Agree, concise mode is much better for code. I don’t need you to restate the request or summarize what you did. Just give me the damn code.

An alternative way to the Concise mode would be to add that (or those) sentence(s) yourself, I personally tell it to not give me the code at all at times, and at another times I want the code only, and so forth.

You could add these sentences as project instructions, for example, too.

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