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Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by petesergeant »

iLemming wrote: post #89
petesergeant wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Claude is the best model for programming This week.

Anecdotally, Claude seems to hallucinate more during certain hours. It's amusing to watch, almost like your dog that gets too bored and stops responding to your commands - you say "sit" and he looks at you, tilts his head, looks straight up at you, almost like saying "I know what you're saying..." but then decides to run to another room and bring his toy. And you'd be wondering: "darn, where's that toughest, most obi…

Talking of anecdotal, 4o with canvas, which is normally excellent, tends to give up around a certain context length, and you have to copy and paste what you have into a new window to get it to make edits

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by johnisgood »

I much prefer Claude over ChatGPT, based on my experience using both extensively. Claude understands me significantly better and seems to "know" my intentions with much greater ease. For example, when I request the full file, it provides it without any issues or unnecessary reiterations (ChatGPT fails after me repeatedly instructing it to), often confirming my request with a brief summary beforehand, but nothing more. Additionally, Claude frequently asks clarifying questions to better understand my goals, something I have noticed ChatGPT never did. I have found it quite amazing that it does that.

So... as long as this money helps them improve their LLM even more, I am all up for it.

My main issue is quickly being rate-limited in relatively long chats, making me wait 4 hours despite having a subscription for Pro. Recently I have noticed some other related issues, too. More money could help with these issues, too.

To the developers: keep up the excellent work and may you continue striving for improvement. I feel like ChatGPT is worse now than it was half a year ago, I hope this will not happen to Claude.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by submeta »

I had to switch from Pro to Teams plan and pay 150 USD for 5 accounts because the Pro plan has gotten unusable. It will allow me to ask a dozen or so questions and then will block me for hours because of „high capacity.“ I don’t need five accounts, one for 40 USD would be totally fine if it would allow me to work uninterrupted for a couple of hours.

All in all Claude is magic. It feels like having ten assistants at my fingertip. And for that even 100 USD is worth paying.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

rtsil wrote: post #49
peppertree wrote: post #37

Anthropic should double down on the strategy of being the better code generator. No I don't need an AI agent to call the restaurant for me. Win the developers over and the rest will follow.

> Win the developers over and the rest will follow. Will they really? Anecdotal evidence, but nobody I know in real life knows about Claude (other than it's an ordinary first name). And they all use or at least know about ChatGPT. None of them are software engineers of course. But the corporate deciders aren't software engineers either.

They’ll use whatever LLM is integrated into the back end of their apps. And the developers have the most sway over that.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by wis »

moffkalast wrote: post #167
cainxinth wrote: post #54

They certainly need the money. The Pro service has been running in limited mode all week due to being over capacity. It defaults to “concise” mode during high capacity but Pro users can select to put it back into “Full Response.” But I can tell the quality drops even when you do that, and it fails and brings up error messages more commonly. They don’t have enough compute to go around.

Their shitty UI is also not doing them any infrastructure favors, during load it'll straight up write 90% of an answer, and then suddenly cancel and delete the whole thing, so you have to start over and waste time generating the entire answer again instead of just continuing for a few more sentences. It's like a DDOS attack where everyone gets preempted and immediately starts refreshing.

Yes! It's infuriating when Claude stops generating mid response and deletes the whole thread/conversation. Not only you lose what it has generated so far, which would've been at least somewhat useful, but you also lose the prompt you wrote, which could've taken you some effort to write.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by steveBK123 »

dgfitz wrote: post #137
steveBK123 wrote: post #136

Some of these investments sound big in absolute terms.. However not that big considering the scale of the investor AND that many of these investors are also vendors. MSFT/AMZN/NVDA investing in AI firms that then use their clouds/chips/whatever is an interesting circular investment.

Four thousand million dollars. That’s a lot of money.

That's 2 days of Amazon revenue, invested in a company to then send the investment back as more revenue to Amazon in the form of AWS usage.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by sangnoir »

crowcroft wrote: post #166

So we have Microsoft -> OpenAI (& Inflection AI) Google -> Gemini (and a bit of Anthropic) Amazon -> Anthropic Meta -> Llama Is big tech good for the startup ecosystem, or are they monopolies eating everything (or both?). To be fair to Google and Meta they came up with a lot of the stuff in the first place, and aren't just buying the competition.

There wouldn't be an LLM startup ecosystem without big tech.

Notable contributions: Nvidia for, well, (gestures at everything), Google for discovering (inventing?) transformers, being early advocates of ML, authoring tensorflow, Meta for Torch and open sourcing Llama, Microsoft for investing billions in OpenAI early on and keeping the hype alive. The last one is a reach, I'm sure Microsoft Research did some cool things I'm unaware of.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by prewett »

whatshisface wrote: post #168
mbesto wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ummm okay? A scam implies someone is getting hurt (financially, emotionally, etc.). Who's getting scammed here?

The big tech companies are spending enormous amounts for part ownership in startups whose only assets are knowledge that exists in the public domain, systems that the companies could have engineered themselves, and model weights trained with the buyer's own capital. The people who will get hurt are public investors who are having their investment used to make a few startup people really rich.

> whose only assets are knowledge

Knowledge is quite the useful asset, and not easily obtained. People obtain knowledge by studying for years and years, and even then, one might obtain information rather than knowledge, or have some incorrect knowledge. The AI companies have engineered a system that (by your argument) distills knowledge from artifacts (books, blogs, etc.) that contain statements, filler, opinions, facts, misleading arguments, incorrect arguments, as well as knowledge and perhaps even wisdom. Apparently this takes hundreds of millions of dollars (at least) to do for one model. But, assuming they actually have distilled out knowledge, that would be valuable.

Although, since the barrier to entry is pretty low, they should not expect sustained high profits. (The barrier is costly, but so is the barrier to entry to new airlines--a few planes cost as much as an AI model--yet new airlines start up regularly and nobody really makes much profit. Hence, I conclude that requiring a large amount of money is not necessarily a barrier to entry.)

(Also, I argue that they have not actually distilled out knowledge, they have merely created a system that is about as good at word association as the average human. This is not knowledge, although it may have its own uses.)

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by modriano »

submeta wrote: post #183

I had to switch from Pro to Teams plan and pay 150 USD for 5 accounts because the Pro plan has gotten unusable. It will allow me to ask a dozen or so questions and then will block me for hours because of „high capacity.“ I don’t need five accounts, one for 40 USD would be totally fine if it would allow me to work uninterrupted for a couple of hours. All in all Claude is magic. It feels like having ten assistants at m…

I just start new chats whenever the chat gets long (in terms of number of tokens). It's kind of a pain to have to form a prompt that encapsulates enough context, but it has prevented me from hitting the Pro limit. Also, I include more questions and detail in each prompt.

Why does that work? Claude includes the entire chat with each new prompt you submit [0], and the limit is based on the number of tokens you've submitted. After not too many prompts, there can be 10k+ tokens in the chat (which are all submitted in each new prompt, quickly advancing towards the limit).

(I also have a chatGPT sub and I use that for many questions, especially now that it includes web search capabilities)

[0] https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/8324991-about-clau...

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