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Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by datavirtue »

ToDougie wrote: post #122
rtsil wrote: post #49

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> Win the developers over and the rest will follow. Will they really? Anecdotal evidence, but nobody I know in real life knows about Claude (other than it's an ordinary first name). And they all use or at least know about ChatGPT. None of them are software engineers of course. But the corporate deciders aren't software engineers either.

I use Claude Pro paid version every day, but not for coding. I used to be a software engineer, but no longer. I tried OpenAI in the past, but I did not enjoy it. I do not like Sam Altman. My use cases: Generating a business plan, podcast content, marketing strategies, sales scripts, financial analyses, canned responses, and project plans. I also use it for general brainstorming, legal document review, and so many oth…

I have been flogging the hell out of copilot for equities research and to teach me about finance topics. I just bark orders and it pumps out an analysis. This is usually so much work, even if you have a service like finviz, Fidelity or another paid service.

Thirty seconds to compare 10yrs of 10ks. Good times.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by datavirtue »

999900000999 wrote: post #108
rtsil wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Win the developers over and the rest will follow. Will they really? Anecdotal evidence, but nobody I know in real life knows about Claude (other than it's an ordinary first name). And they all use or at least know about ChatGPT. None of them are software engineers of course. But the corporate deciders aren't software engineers either.

Normal people aren't paying for LLMs. If they ever do Apple and Google will offer it as a service built into your phone . For example, you could say ok Google call that restaurant me and My girlfriend had our first date at 5 years ago, set up something nice so I can propose. And I guess Google Gemini ( or whatever it's called at this point), Will hire a band, some photographers, and maybe even a therapist just in cas…

Yeah, it's table stakes.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by TeMPOraL »

kridsdale1 wrote: post #158
jmathai wrote: post #96

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Never occurred to me that the response changes based on load. I’ve definitely noticed it seems smarter at times. Makes evaluating results nearly impossible.

My human responses degrade when I’m heavily loaded and low on resources, too.

Unrelated. Inference doesn't run in sync with the wall clock; it takes whatever it takes. The issue is more like telling a room of support workers they are free to half-ass the work if there's too many calls, so they don't reject any until even half-assing doesn't lighten the load enough.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by surgical_fire »

dartos wrote: post #149
surgical_fire wrote: post #139

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> In so glad your point was that it’s not a scam Except it sort of is. It needs AI to be hyped and propped up, so that all those silly companies spending in GCP can continue to do so for a wee bit longer.

I don’t know if that makes it a scam. I think you’re putting the cart before the horse. Big cloud providers will push anything that would make them money. That’s just what marketing is. AI was exciting long before big cloud providers even existed. Once it was clear that a product could be made, they started marketing it and selling the compute needed. What’s the scam?

Crypto was exciting too. And metaverse. And VR. And voice assistants. Et cetera and so forth.

All those things would change the world, and nothing would ever be the same, and would disrupt everything. Except they wouldn't and they didn't.

The scam is that those companies don't want to be seen as mature companies, they need to justify valuations of growth companies, forever. So something must always go into the hype pyre.

By all means, I hope the scam goes on for longer, as it indirectly benefits me too. But I don't have it in my heart to be a hypocrite. I will call a pig a pig.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by TeMPOraL »

datavirtue wrote: post #152
neya wrote: post #80

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I am a paying customer with credits and the API endpoints rate-limited me to the point where it's actually unusable as a coding assistant. I use a VS Code extension and it just bailed out in the middle of a migration. I had to revert everything it changed and that was not a pleasant experience, sadly.

You aren't running against a local LLM?

That's like asking if they aren't paying the neighborhood drunk with wine bottles for doing house remodeling, instead of hiring a renovation crew.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by crowcroft »

So we have

Microsoft -> OpenAI (& Inflection AI) Google -> Gemini (and a bit of Anthropic) Amazon -> Anthropic Meta -> Llama

Is big tech good for the startup ecosystem, or are they monopolies eating everything (or both?). To be fair to Google and Meta they came up with a lot of the stuff in the first place, and aren't just buying the competition.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by moffkalast »

cainxinth wrote: post #54

They certainly need the money. The Pro service has been running in limited mode all week due to being over capacity. It defaults to “concise” mode during high capacity but Pro users can select to put it back into “Full Response.” But I can tell the quality drops even when you do that, and it fails and brings up error messages more commonly. They don’t have enough compute to go around.

Their shitty UI is also not doing them any infrastructure favors, during load it'll straight up write 90% of an answer, and then suddenly cancel and delete the whole thing, so you have to start over and waste time generating the entire answer again instead of just continuing for a few more sentences. It's like a DDOS attack where everyone gets preempted and immediately starts refreshing.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by whatshisface »

mbesto wrote: post #151
whatshisface wrote: post #128

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The difference between things you'd say like "it's true that..." and "the market will associate..." basically is the definition of a scam.

Ummm okay? A scam implies someone is getting hurt (financially, emotionally, etc.). Who's getting scammed here?

The big tech companies are spending enormous amounts for part ownership in startups whose only assets are knowledge that exists in the public domain, systems that the companies could have engineered themselves, and model weights trained with the buyer's own capital. The people who will get hurt are public investors who are having their investment used to make a few startup people really rich.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by gabes »

crowcroft wrote: post #166

So we have Microsoft -> OpenAI (& Inflection AI) Google -> Gemini (and a bit of Anthropic) Amazon -> Anthropic Meta -> Llama Is big tech good for the startup ecosystem, or are they monopolies eating everything (or both?). To be fair to Google and Meta they came up with a lot of the stuff in the first place, and aren't just buying the competition.

Meta doesn’t buy competition?

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by KTibow »

anovick wrote: post #123
gavi wrote: post #112

I love Claude 3.5 sonnet and their UI is top notch especially for coding, recently though they have been facing capacity issues especially during weekdays correlating with working hours. Have tried Qwen2.5 coder 32B and it's very good and close to Claude 3.5 in my coding cases.

There's one problem with Claude's chat box where ``` opens an intrusive code block box that's hard to close/skip. But I also agree that Claude 3.5 Sonnet is giving very good results. Not only for coding, and also for languages other than English.

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