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Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by shawndrost »

mikeocool wrote: post #5

Curious if anyone knows the logistics of these cloud provider/AI company deals. In this case, it seems like the terms of the deal mean that Anthropic ends up spending most of the investment on AWS to pay for training. Does anthropic basically get at cost pricing on AWS? If Amazon has any margin on their pricing, it seems like this $4B investment ends up costing them a lot less, and this is a nice way to turn a cap ex…

You can find the text of the original OpenAI/MSFT deal here: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5jjk4CDnj9tA7ugxr/openai-ema...

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Post by weinzierl »

johnisgood wrote: post #182

I much prefer Claude over ChatGPT, based on my experience using both extensively. Claude understands me significantly better and seems to "know" my intentions with much greater ease. For example, when I request the full file, it provides it without any issues or unnecessary reiterations (ChatGPT fails after me repeatedly instructing it to), often confirming my request with a brief summary beforehand, but nothing more…

This matches my experience but the one reason why I use Claude more than ChatGPT currently is that Claude is available.

I pay for both but only for ChatGPT I permanently exceed my limit and I have to wait four days. Who does that? I pay you for your setvice, so block me for an hour if you absolutely must, but multiple days, honestly - no.

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Post by OJFord »

_just7_ wrote: post #238
KennyBlanken wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems highly likely given Sam Friedman's extensive reputation across multiple companies as being abusive, a compulsive liar, and willing to outright do blatantly illegal things like using a celebrity's voice and then, well...lie about it.

I think you mean Sam Altman

They've mixed up with Sam Bankman-Fried, not sure how that affects the point they were intending to make, but I think they both have.. mixed reputations. (Only one is currently in prison though...)

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Post by dr_dshiv »

cma wrote: post #179
cainxinth wrote: post #54

They certainly need the money. The Pro service has been running in limited mode all week due to being over capacity. It defaults to “concise” mode during high capacity but Pro users can select to put it back into “Full Response.” But I can tell the quality drops even when you do that, and it fails and brings up error messages more commonly. They don’t have enough compute to go around.

> But I can tell the quality drops even when you do that Dario said in a recent interview that they never switch to a lower quality model in terms of something with different parameters during times of load. But he left room for interpretation on whether that means they could still use quantization or sparsity. And then additionally, his answer wasn't clear enough to know whether or not they use a lower depth of beam…

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Post by FooBarBizBazz »

mossTechnician wrote: post #43
uneekname wrote: post #27

As someone who doesn't really follow the LLM space closely, I have been consistently turning to Anthropic when I want to use an LLM (usually to work through coding problems) Beside Sonnet impressing me, I like Anthropic because there's less of an "icky" factor compared to OpenAI or even Google. I don't know how much better Anthropic actually is, but I don't think I'm the only one who chooses based on my perception of…

Personally, I find companies with names like "Anthropic" to be inherently icky too. Anthropic means "human," and if a company must remind me it is made of/by/for humans, it always feels less so. E.g. The Browser Company of New York is a group of friendly humans... Second, generative AI is machine generated; if there's any "making" of the training content, Anthropic didn't do it. Kind of like how OpenAI isn't open, th…

I actually agree with your principle, but don't think it applies to Anthropic, because I interpret the name to mean that they are making machines that are "human-like".

More cynically, I would say that AI is about making software that we can anthropomorphize.

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Post by joshdavham »

I often hear people praise Claude as being better than chatGPT, but I’ve given both a shot and much prefer chatGPT.

Is there something I’m missing here? I use chatGPT for a variety of things but mainly coding and I feel subjectively that chatGPT is still better for the job.

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Post by cma »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #264
cma wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I can tell the quality drops even when you do that Dario said in a recent interview that they never switch to a lower quality model in terms of something with different parameters during times of load. But he left room for interpretation on whether that means they could still use quantization or sparsity. And then additionally, his answer wasn't clear enough to know whether or not they use a lower depth of beam…

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Post by alwayslikethis »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #230
rybosome wrote: post #218

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That’s funny, but open weight, local models are pretty usable depending on the task.

You're right, but that's also subject to compute costs and time value of money. The calculus is different for companies trying to exploit language models in some way, and different for individuals like me who have to feed the family before splurging for a new GPU, or setting up servers in the cloud, when I can get better value by paying OpenAI or Claude a few dollars and use their SOTA models until those dollars run…

For the money for a 4070ti, you could have bought a 3090, which although less efficient, can run bigger models like Qwen2.5 32b coder. Apparently it performs quite well for code

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Post by k1musab1 »

UltraSane wrote: post #254

Claude Sonnet 3.5 is simply amazing. No matter how much I used it I continue to be amazed at what it can produce. I recently asked it what the flow of data is when two vNICs on the same host send data to each other and it produced a very detailed answer complete with a really nice diagram. I then asked what langue the diagram uses and it said Mermaid. So I then asked it to produce some example L1,2,3 diagrams for com…

VS Code has a plugin Cline, using your api key it will run Claude sonnet, can edit and create files in the workspace, and run commands in the terminal to check functionality, read errors, and correct them.

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Post by owenpalmer »

joshdavham wrote: post #266

I often hear people praise Claude as being better than chatGPT, but I’ve given both a shot and much prefer chatGPT. Is there something I’m missing here? I use chatGPT for a variety of things but mainly coding and I feel subjectively that chatGPT is still better for the job.

What languages do you use?
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