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Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by therein »

cruffle_duffle wrote: post #199
shmatt wrote: post #194

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in the beginning i was agitated by Concise and would move it back manually. But then I actually tried it, I asked for SQL and it gave me back SQL and 1-2 sentences at most Regular mode gives SQL and entire paragraphs before and after it. Not even helpful paragraphs, just rambling about nothing and suggesting what my next prompt should be Now I love concise mode, it doesn't skimp on the meat, just the fluff. Now my pr…

Totally agree. I wish there was a similar option on ChatGPT. These things are seemingly trained to absolutely love blathering on. And all that blathering eats into their precious context window with tons of repetition and little new information.

Oh you are asking for a 2 line change? Here is the whole file we have been working on with a preamble and closing remarks, enjoy checking to see if I actually made the change I am referring to in my closing remarks and my condolences if our files have diverged.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by Spooky23 »

whatshisface wrote: post #128
mbesto wrote: post #104

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This is not how it works. First, revenue is irrelevant. Second, the investment isn't a loan that they need to repay. They are getting equity. Third, Anthropic is exclusively using AWS to train its models. Which, yes, means if AWS gives them $4B and it costs them $500M/year to pay for AWS services then after 8 years, the cash is a wash. However this ignores the second point. Fourth, there is brand association for some…

The difference between things you'd say like "it's true that..." and "the market will associate..." basically is the definition of a scam.

It’s not a scam at all. Amazon doesn’t have an AI story. So they invest in Anthropic, get a lot of that money back as revenue that seeds demand.

Their customers now have an incentive to do AI in AWS. That drives more revenue for AWS.

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

maleldil wrote: post #120
pknerd wrote: post #44

Rival? They kick you out after a few messages and ask you to come back later. Gpt doesn't do that

Are you a paying customer? I exclusively use their best model and while I get warnings (stuff about longer chats leading to more limit usage), I've never been kicked out. The only thing is that they've recently started defaulting to Concise to cut costs, which is fine with me.

Concise mode is honestly better anyway. I’d prefer it always be in that mode.

But that being said I bump into hard limits far more often than I do with ChatGPT. Even if I keep chats short like it constantly suggests, eventually it cuts me off.

Re: Amazon to invest another $4B in Anthropic

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Post by wepple »

whatshisface wrote: post #33
raverbashing wrote: post #19

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Yes but Amazon is not making extra money with you being their biggest customer With Anthropic yes

Anthropic is getting $4B in investment in a year where their revenue was about $850M. Even if Amazon had bought them outright for that much, they would not be ahead. The fact that everybody keeps repeating the claim that Amazon is "making money" makes this appear like some kind of scam.

Wow, I had no idea Anthropic was doing $850m revenue.

I know they have high costs, but as a startup that’s some phenomenal income and validation that they’re not pure speculation like most startups are

Edit: founded in 2021 and with 1000 employees. That’s just wild growth.

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Post by sumedh »

999900000999 wrote: post #108
rtsil wrote: post #49

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> Win the developers over and the rest will follow. Will they really? Anecdotal evidence, but nobody I know in real life knows about Claude (other than it's an ordinary first name). And they all use or at least know about ChatGPT. None of them are software engineers of course. But the corporate deciders aren't software engineers either.

Normal people aren't paying for LLMs. If they ever do Apple and Google will offer it as a service built into your phone . For example, you could say ok Google call that restaurant me and My girlfriend had our first date at 5 years ago, set up something nice so I can propose. And I guess Google Gemini ( or whatever it's called at this point), Will hire a band, some photographers, and maybe even a therapist just in cas…

> As is it's going to be really hard to compete against GitHub Copilot they effectively block others from scrapping GitHub.

Hire 1000 people in India to do it then?

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

therein wrote: post #211
cruffle_duffle wrote: post #199

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Totally agree. I wish there was a similar option on ChatGPT. These things are seemingly trained to absolutely love blathering on. And all that blathering eats into their precious context window with tons of repetition and little new information.

Oh you are asking for a 2 line change? Here is the whole file we have been working on with a preamble and closing remarks, enjoy checking to see if I actually made the change I am referring to in my closing remarks and my condolences if our files have diverged.

You know the craziest thing I’ve seen ChatGPT do is claim to have made a change to my terraform code acting all “ohh here is some changes to reflect all the things you commented on” and all it did was change the comments.

It’s very bizarre when it rewrites the exact same code a second or third time and for some reason decides to change the comments. The comments will have the same meaning but will be slightly different wording. I think this behavior is an interesting window into how large language models work. For whatever reason, despite unchanging repetition, the context window changed just enough it output a statistically similar comment at that juncture. Like all the rest of the code it wrote out was statistically pointing the exact same way but there was just enough variance in how to write the comment it went down a different path in its neural network. And then when it was done with that path it went right back down the “straight line” for the code part.

Pretty wild, these things are.

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Post by anovick »

KTibow wrote: post #170
anovick wrote: post #123

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There's one problem with Claude's chat box where ``` opens an intrusive code block box that's hard to close/skip. But I also agree that Claude 3.5 Sonnet is giving very good results. Not only for coding, and also for languages other than English.

You can exit with the down arrow

Thanks!

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Post by rybosome »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #165
datavirtue wrote: post #152

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You aren't running against a local LLM?

That's like asking if they aren't paying the neighborhood drunk with wine bottles for doing house remodeling, instead of hiring a renovation crew.

That’s funny, but open weight, local models are pretty usable depending on the task.

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Post by Deegy »

ipaddr wrote: post #6

I' m not sure how they make it back. The guardrails in place are extremely strict. The only people who seem to use it are a subset of developers who are unhappy with OpenAI. With Bard popping up free everywhere taking away much of the general user crowd and OpenAI offering the mini model always free and limited image generation / expensive model. Then you have to do it yourself crowd with llama. What is their target…

I mean, they might make back the $4b on the value it brings to programming alone.

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Post by hirvi74 »

johnisgood wrote: post #182

I much prefer Claude over ChatGPT, based on my experience using both extensively. Claude understands me significantly better and seems to "know" my intentions with much greater ease. For example, when I request the full file, it provides it without any issues or unnecessary reiterations (ChatGPT fails after me repeatedly instructing it to), often confirming my request with a brief summary beforehand, but nothing more…

I've started to notice that GPT-* vs. Claude is quite domain (and even subdomain) specific.

For programming, when using languages like C, python, ruby, C#, and JS, both seemed fairly comparable to me. However, I was astounded at how awful Claude was at Swift. Most of what I would get from Claude wouldn't even compile, contained standard library methods that did not exist, and so on. For whatever reason, GPT is night and day better in this regard.

In fact, I found GPT to be the best resource for less common languages like Applescript. Of course, GPT is not always correct on the first `n` number of tries, but with enough back-and-forth debugging, GPT really has pulled through for me.

I've also found GPT to be better at math and grammar, but only the more advanced models like O1-preview. I do agree with you too that Claude is better in a conversational sense. I have found it to be more empathetic and personable than GPT.

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