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The withering dream of a cheap American electric car

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Re: The withering dream of a cheap American electric car

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The EV charges while you sleep. You always start your journey with a full tank. If you can't do that then, yes, an EV is less convenient than a gas car that is true.

Home ownership is a distant dream for most Americans, and the sort of rentals that have parking AND EV charging tend to be extremely pricy luxury new-builds. Gas is unfortunately going to be around for a long, long time for normal working-class Americans.

^ This is patently false.

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not a PHEV, but I've been incredibly happy with the 2023 F-150 Powerboost. It's a Mild hybrid system, with great towing capacity, power & torque. Does not sound quite as "stout" as the Dodge, but like you I have my reservations about the brand. I've been Using it as a honest work truck in the civil engineering / construction world, and have been able to get 600 miles from a tank without trying too hard. I've seen ple…

Hey! It's a fellow Civil Engineer on HN!

I’m not a PE (or EIT). I run my firm’s construction services department. I have a Bachelor of Music degree, so without an ABET degree, not much hope for me ;) I’m engineering adjacent, and really enjoy the field based problem solving and bringing a different perspective to projects. Just no sealing plans for me.

Just wanted to set the record straight! Good to see others in the civil field represented here.

Re: The withering dream of a cheap American electric car

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Home ownership is a distant dream for most Americans, and the sort of rentals that have parking AND EV charging tend to be extremely pricy luxury new-builds. Gas is unfortunately going to be around for a long, long time for normal working-class Americans.

Home ownership rate today is pretty similar to what it's been for decades.

It’s been bad for decades. Nobody can afford housing anymore. Get out of the tech bubble

Re: The withering dream of a cheap American electric car

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Home ownership is a distant dream for most Americans, and the sort of rentals that have parking AND EV charging tend to be extremely pricy luxury new-builds. Gas is unfortunately going to be around for a long, long time for normal working-class Americans.

^ This is patently false.

Which part.

Re: The withering dream of a cheap American electric car

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Wealthy people pay much more in taxes than poor people. One use of taxes I am in favor of is "nudges" to achieve desirable outcomes for all. This is an example of that. Bringing up plane travel is "whataboutism".

True, but not universally. In cities, lower income people living in older buildings are a significantly larger source of tax revenue than corporate parks or the wealthy communities they subsidize. I spend less in sales tax shopping at Costco than someone who eats every meal from a corner store and overpays for singles of everything. I don't even know what a soda or single roll of toilet tissue costs, but I'd probably…

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Re: The withering dream of a cheap American electric car

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Ding ding ding. We have a winner. There's a bunch of free riders in the form of shareholders artificially driving up the price of goods.

>There's a bunch of free riders in the form of shareholders artificially driving up the price of goods. Isn't this a natural consequence of capitalism in entrenched industries?

Yeah, I think that's the point they were trying to make.

Re: The withering dream of a cheap American electric car

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If that were true, you wouldn't be able to buy multiple vehicles for under $18,000, which would have been a $10,000 vehicle at the turn of the century. How many $10,000 cars do you remember from 2000? I was in the market for my 3rd car by then and I can tell you the answer was zero. Cars are actually cheaper today than they've ever been DESPITE the increased safety and emissions features and you are exactly wrong in…

You are very passionate about retail car prices.

It's the biggest purchase most people make in their lives (and on a regular basis to boot), aside from real estate. Not the worst thing to be passionate about.

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For most people, their daily trips are well within the range of what an EV can do. And most people don't do long trips every week. Personally, I try to optimize my life to avoid spending a considerable part of it in a car. With charging at home EVs are just easy. For long trips charging every 2-3 hours isn't too bad (most humans benefit from a break anyways).

> And most people don't do long trips every week Most people don’t own multiple cars and wouldn’t rent a car for those rare use-cases when they already own a perfectly fine car. It may be overall cheaper to do that, but people don’t think that way. One or two annual holiday roadtrips to go see the family and oops that EV starts looking like an annoying option. Every friend I have who doesn’t own a house and bought an…

> Every friend I have who doesn’t own a house and bought an EV ended up returning it...

Yeah, if you don't have a private parking spot, charging is a deal breaker.

I wouldn't be surprised if apartment blocks with shared parking lots/garages eventually add charging.

But yes, this requires more infrastructure.

And won't be solved for street parking anytime soon.

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we are all greedy, it's human nature, and greed is good, it makes us strive and human striving is what brings us all benefits. So when I use greed, it's not meant as an insult. Only people who use it as an insult (frequently socialists), as if they themselves are not greedy, need to hear it hurled at them, simply as a proof of "hey, you're a human too, stop thinking you're better than other people". and we're talking…

> greed is good My dude, Gordon Gekko was not the protagonist.

another stock character in Aristotelian drama is nature; nature is capricious, or expresses the will of the gods, and can never be bested. Greed is a force of nature.

Re: The withering dream of a cheap American electric car

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Home ownership rate today is pretty similar to what it's been for decades.

It’s been bad for decades. Nobody can afford housing anymore. Get out of the tech bubble

I don't necessarily live in a "tech" city, far away from California.

Many people my age own their homes around me. They work in HR, they work in finance, they work in construction, they work as insurance sales.

The median home price for a lot areas around me is ~$500k. Meaning there's also a lot of homes https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RHORUSQ156N

2000Q1: 67.1%

2024Q3: 65.6%

Go back even further to 1990Q1, and it was 64%. It had a peak of 69.2% in 2004Q4. In the 80s it was pretty much 63-64%.

Get out of California.

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