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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by loeg »

carb wrote: post #603
ThinkBeat wrote: post #473

I really don't think this belongs on the front page. It is a highly divisive political issue with strong radicalisation at the edges of any discourse on it. I have my own strong opinions on it, but arguing it does not in my opinon belong on the front page here. There are plenty of places you can go and have this discussion in as heated of a version as you prefer.

I disagree. #1 this topic is not as divisive as it may seem. There is consensus as to what is happening and only a minority of the world thinks otherwise. #2 Israel is a major tech partner and most large tech companies have offices in Tel Aviv. Many startups that we discuss here are headquartered in Tel Aviv. The head of state of the country having an ICC arrest warrant and the situation at large have major consequen…

> There is consensus as to what is happening and only a minority of the world thinks otherwise.

Well, that's obviously false. GP is right; this topic produces more heat than light.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by guerrilla »

M3L0NM4N wrote: post #591
KSteffensen wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.

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Everyone else is stupid and lazy? Stop it.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by loeg »

guerrilla wrote: post #623
loeg wrote: post #519

The HN title says "and Hamas officials," but this appears nowhere in the article.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-p...

That isn't the linked article.

> Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by Zigurd »

School-Cotton wrote: post #245
h8dh8es8edh8 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say "and the west" without more qualifications. The USA and Germany are solidly behind whatever the Israeli government does. England a bit less so and the rest of "the west" (however you want to define it) is more ambivalent. My point is that if only two countries (the USA and Germany) would make their support more conditional (conditional on the israeli government not commiting war crimes for example), th…

There is no sovereign state called "England"; you mean the UK.

How often do people refer to the USA as "America." It's not quite as pedantic as "it's a republic not a democracy," but...

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by cwkoss »

KSteffensen wrote: post #100
ssijak wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic was arrested and deported by the government of Yugoslavia after him. Of course, under immense pressure from the west. My preference would be that we tried him under our courts and sent him to jail in Yugoslavia/Serbia. Now, imposing "justice" obviously only works when you do it to small nations like Yugoslavia or Rwanda. Of course it will not apply to the Israel leader, let alone…

I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.

Israel is a colony of US imperialism and functions as the US attack dog in the middle east, taking actions and expressing rhetoric in support of US hegemony that are politically infeasible.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by sgjohnson »

com wrote: post #418
ssijak wrote: post #59

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The Netherlands said that they would arrest anybody accused. That would be peculiar to see, what would actually happen if anybody of the accused were to travel there.

The Dutch have a very lackadaisical attitude to law, and at the very same time a very principled cut-off-my-nose-to-spite-my-face rule of law mentality. If I were a senior Israeli or Hamas leader I’d avoid the place for a couple of decades in case of sealed charges.

> If I were a senior Israeli or Hamas leader I’d avoid the place for a couple of decades in case of sealed charges.

If the Netherlands granted diplomatic immunity to said leaders before their visit, and then decided to arrest them, that by itself would be an act of war.

And even worse, it would ruin basically the only treaty every country has agreed to - the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by ComputerGuru »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #598
ComputerGuru wrote: post #346

For context, this is only possible because the state of Palestine pushed hard and persisted for years to become an ICC member and thus give the ICC jurisdiction over crimes committed on Palestinian territory, whether by Israel or by Palestinian factions. The USA is still mad at them for doing it. The full account is worth reading, it includes considerations by the various resistance factions that they’d also be subje…

> state of Palestine pushed hard and persisted for years to become an ICC member good for them; is there some reason they shouldn't have?

Absolutely not; in fact, I was commending them for it.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ars wrote: post #507
dang wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users flagged it, as is common for the most divisive topics. I've turned the flags off now, in keeping with HN's standard practices: some (but only some) stories with political overlap are allowed, and in the case of a Major Ongoing Topic (MOT) we prefer the stories that contain Significant New Information (SNI). [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange…

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Would you mind giving a few examples?

I looked at a few myself, many are off-topic, or engage in whataboutism, or openly supported war crimes like collective punishment. Others are plain insults or racism.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

fmajid wrote: post #476
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #449

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My question, though, is does pushing these kinds of toothless resolutions make any difference beyond showing that the ICC essentially has no power to enforce its warrants? It's clear that the most powerful militaries in the world (US, Russia, essentially China too) have declared the "rules-based world order" dead. Does it do anyone any good to pretend this hasn't happened? It reminded me of the post Elizabeth Warren…

Netanyahu and Gallant will no longer be able to travel to Europe, and likely will not want to fly over Europe either (thus not to the US either).

Presumably if they get invited to Europe it will be with assurance from the state that nothing happens to them. And traveling uninvited is probably a bad move anyway. So not much difference.

If you mean to imply that Europe is somehow going to shoot down their planes if they fly over that’s obviously absurd.

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