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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Regardless, total deaths don't matter, only deaths that were the result of crimes matter, in this context. Some of those deaths are going to be legal targets killed during combat, which is not evidence of a war crime. You have to split things out for the numbers to mean anything.

But the problem is that Israel's style of warfare is (intentionally or not) blurring the distinction between those numbers, by using methods of combat that have exceptionally high rates of collateral damage. The most extreme instances of this are the deliberate withholding of aid, both in the "total siege" in the beginning of the war, as well as operations like now in the north. You might hit a lot of legitimate targ…

> the problem is that Israel's style of warfare ... The most extreme instances

Yep. The complication is, the Strip is close to being totally dependent on Israel, and yet chose war. I doubt any other country ruled by right-wingers, with that much power over their already (diplomatically, economically, socially) cornered enemy, would have acted any differently. I guess, the sequence of events reeks of desperation & despair from all sides and has ended up exposing one & all.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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I mean, nobody really knows until the trial (if one ever happens). Its easy to be convincing when you are just listening to the prosecution - it gets harder once the defense has the opportunity to poke holes. Keep in mind the conviction rate at ICC is pretty low. > The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The court already disagreed with said panel on one of the charges (c…

> Keep in mind the conviction rate at ICC is pretty low. My understanding is that's because it's usually difficult to show intent . However, in this case, not only do we have an incredible amount of video evidence of war crimes, but we also have a huge catalogue of Israeli politicians explicitly calling for the genocide of Gaza. My biggest concern over this is what the US and/or Mossad will do...

> However, in this case, not only do we have an incredible amount of video evidence of war crimes, but we also have a huge catalogue of Israeli politicians explicitly calling for the genocide of Gaza.

I disagree that there is an incredible amount of video evidence of war crimes that are relevant here.

And I also disagree that there is a huge catalogue of Netanyahu and Gallant making statements that show intent. For the purposes of these warrants, it doesn't matter what other Israeli politicians have said as I understand it.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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The whole "The Muslims/Muslim countries won't do X, and therefore why should we?" argument is funny and depressing to me. Why won't they do X? Because maybe in your mind you think they're savages/less civilized. Less, that is, compared to you/your community's (in whatever scale: nation, race, hemisphere). But if you're saying "If they don't do X, we can behave the same", isn't that a call for you/your community to ab…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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This is common and expected. Even when a serial killer suspected of 20 murder is apprehended, arrest is often made based on one or two confirmed cases, more charges are later added as investigation deepens. Also, keep in mind foreign journalists are completely banned by Israel from entering Gaza- complicating evidence gathering.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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For context, this is only possible because the state of Palestine pushed hard and persisted for years to become an ICC member and thus give the ICC jurisdiction over crimes committed on Palestinian territory, whether by Israel or by Palestinian factions. The USA is still mad at them for doing it. The full account is worth reading, it includes considerations by the various resistance factions that they’d also be subje…

> state of Palestine pushed hard and persisted for years to become an ICC member good for them; is there some reason they shouldn't have?

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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I don't necessarily think you're wrong, but drawing any conclusions from random people on Twitter seems like a mistake. They might not be human, they might not be Israeli, and they might not be representative of Israel's 9 million people. I wouldn't want anybody to judge me based on how English-speaking Twitter accounts behave.

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Just to stick up for the Israeli software developer POV - most Israelis would completely disagree with you that genocide is happening in Gaza.

You might think they're wrong - that's valid. But it's not that they're openly supporting genocide - they disagree with you on whether or not it is happening, which is a big difference.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

Antisemitic. Every time I hear this word, I can’t help but think of its irony—a term used exclusively for describing discrimination against one community, as if prejudice against them carries more weight than against any other. Perhaps, though, it serves as the best reflection of our hypocrisy.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Antisemitic. Every time I hear this word, I can’t help but think of its irony—a term used exclusively for describing discrimination against one community, as if prejudice against them carries more weight than against any other. Perhaps, though, it serves as the best reflection of our hypocrisy.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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I mean, this has been standard operating procedure for the State of Israel for a long time now. Any criticism is dismissed as antisemitic. Personally, I don't think that's fair, but it's understandable why they would use it as a defence.

Because it works. Well, it used to work- today, I think it has lost all its value. Good riddance.

Regardless of whether a group of politicians use it maliciously or not - Antisemitism exists and happens all the time. It has not "lost its value", and if it has then so has western society.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Such a ridiculous claim. Anyone against ICC is not a good guy.

I am not against ICC. I am against any above nation world wide idiocies.

Hamas didn't do any crime against me on oct 7, Israel didn't do any crime against me afterwards, so the idea of some organization chasing after perpetrators in my name is absurd. Crimes against humanity is stupid concept. It has never had any kind of background grounded in anything resembling reality. ditto with UN - nations are anything but united. Now as talking heads it may have some worth, but to give this organization something like power (no matter how fake) is absurd.

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