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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by M3L0NM4N » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 8:45 PM UTC

KSteffensen wrote: post #100

ssijak wrote: post #37

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Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic was arrested and deported by the government of Yugoslavia after him. Of course, under immense pressure from the west. My preference would be that we tried him under our courts and sent him to jail in Yugoslavia/Serbia. Now, imposing "justice" obviously only works when you do it to small nations like Yugoslavia or Rwanda. Of course it will not apply to the Israel leader, let alone…

I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by favorited » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 8:47 PM UTC

rangestransform wrote: post #403

1024core wrote: post #267

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> they should cooperate with the ICC. Have your day in court and show how absurd the accusations are There's a reason why the US does not recognize the ICC.

yeah, the accused has no right to a jury trial with the ICC with the 6th amendment, signing the rome statute into law would be both unconstitutional and effectively subjecting US soldiers to a kangaroo court (in the eyes of the US)

If that were true, the US wouldn't be able to extradite anyone to Mexico, where they do not use jury trials.

Constitutional restrictions on prosecution in the United States do not apply to foreign criminal justice systems.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by glassounds » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 8:48 PM UTC

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pagade wrote: post #463

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Antisemitic. Every time I hear this word, I can’t help but think of its irony—a term used exclusively for describing discrimination against one community, as if prejudice against them carries more weight than against any other. Perhaps, though, it serves as the best reflection of our hypocrisy.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by MisterTea » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 8:49 PM UTC

bawolff wrote: post #154

> The Chamber also noted that decisions allowing or increasing humanitarian assistance into Gaza were often conditional. They were not made to fulfil Israel’s obligations under international humanitarian law or to ensure that the civilian population in Gaza would be adequately supplied with goods in need. In fact, they were a response to the pressure of the international community or requests by the United States of…

> Like if someone is accused of murder, but doesn't because a friend told them not to, we don't throw them in jail because they decided not to murder for the wrong reasons.

If they did not carry out any action then this holds true. But there were actions carried out that amounts to assault and attempted murder.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by pazimzadeh » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 8:51 PM UTC

gspencley wrote: post #542

pazimzadeh wrote: post #537

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what do you mean by 'invite to the table'? it's a criminal court, so it's going to deal with criminals you're also assuming that israel is a good faith actor in all of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court#I...

> what do you mean by 'invite to the table'? it's a criminal court, so it's going to deal with criminals "Criminals" in this context is meaningless. Please hear me out. We're dealing with the concept of "International Law", which is largely understood as agreements / treaties amongst different countries. This means that those agreements are no more valid or better or righteous than the countries that enter into them.…

I'm using "criminals" as a short-hand for "the worst of the worst in terms of rights-violating countries and dictatorial regimes" which is what you initially said.

If there is no such thing as international law, then what "rights" are these countries violating?

> When you have multiple nations that operate independently, each with their own laws and rules, all you can do is get them to agree to certain things, as long as they have some basis upon which to enter into an agreement.

It sounds like you do think all countries should be 'invited to the table' unless they fail to meet a standard which you yourself don't think exists. Confusing.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by nickff » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 8:51 PM UTC

ComputerGuru wrote: post #33

Wow, this took a long time to come after the application for the warrants. 185 days compared to 23 days for Putin's arrest warrant — but then again, one was against the wishes of the USA and the west while the other was at their behest.

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 (and was responsible for many civilian deaths, including shooting down an airliner), if we count from then, it has taken the ICC a very long time indeed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court...

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by immibis » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 8:52 PM UTC

flakeoil wrote: post #184

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Indeed. That Israel has been allowed to operate outside the bounds of international law and human rights will be studied for generations.

They wave with the "antisemitic" flag and no-one dares to object in fear of being called antisemitic. Just see the mayor of Amsterdam.

Yes, basically McCarthyism. Did you see the USA bill where the Treasury secretary can unilaterally designate any nonprofit a "terrorist organization" and remove their funding?

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by insane_dreamer » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 8:57 PM UTC

ComputerGuru wrote: post #346

For context, this is only possible because the state of Palestine pushed hard and persisted for years to become an ICC member and thus give the ICC jurisdiction over crimes committed on Palestinian territory, whether by Israel or by Palestinian factions. The USA is still mad at them for doing it. The full account is worth reading, it includes considerations by the various resistance factions that they’d also be subje…

> state of Palestine pushed hard and persisted for years to become an ICC member

good for them; is there some reason they shouldn't have?

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by ignoramous » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 8:57 PM UTC

iamleppert wrote: post #587

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> Netanyahu is viewed as the messiah of the Jewish people

I think there was a strong urge to portray him as the second coming of King David (the slayer of Goliath) after the assassinations of (other war criminals) Deif, Haniyeh, Nasrallah, Saifeddine, and Sinwar within 6 months of each other.

> something about rebuilding a temple in Jerusalem

No temple yet, but there's a valid religious claim should they choose to build one on the Rock. The main mosque is actually a few hundred meters removed from the Rock.

> until he achieves the eradication of the Palestinian people he will not rest

Think the political apparatus strives to control the demographics (for its own survival)? Eradication is one mechanism, but at 7 million Palestinians, they'd need to summon a World War esque scenario to pull it off. So, unlikely?

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by mianos » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 9:00 PM UTC

aguaviva wrote: post #489

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #469

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> have declared the "rules-based world order" dead I have hunker are confusing two things here - there is international law, which the US and other delinquents break regularly. And there is Rules based world order, which is what US talks about and attempts to impose. For example imposing sanctions on Russia does not have basis in international law, but is part of ‘rules based order’

For example imposing sanctions on Russia does not have basis in international law, Of course it does. Every country is free to choose which countries it does business with.

I think you are agreeing with that. There is not some international law that says countries must deal.with countries they don't want to. It's a national thing.