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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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I’m sorry but this brazenly wrong and a form of propaganda; you need to provide evidence for your claims. Hamas-employed Gaza police shoot at gangs that rob the aid containers with the implicit protection of Israel . Many videos have been posted spuriously claiming without any evidence that the individuals highjackimg the aid “are Hamas” when all documented evidence points to the very opposite. Just two days ago: Gan…

> you need to provide evidence for your claims There's tons of it, plenty of mainstream media reported it while it was happening. If you choose not to believe it, that's because of your biases and no amount of hard evidence will sway you. Also ask yourself, why has Egypt had a blockade against Gaza for longer than Israel?

Egypt is not allowed to bring any cargo into Gaza, at the behest of both Israel and the USA. They are rewarded for their compliance with international aid.

"The Rafah Border Crossing is the only crossing point between Egypt and the Gaza Strip. It is located on the international border that was confirmed in the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty. Only passage of persons takes place through the Rafah Border Crossing; as such, the Egypt–Gaza border is only open to the passage of people, not of goods. All cargo traffic must go through Israel, usually through the Israeli-controlled Kerem Shalom border crossing on the Gaza–Israel barrier."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Gaza_border#:~:t....

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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If you think it's a sham, why would you participate in the process? I don't agree that it is a sham, but it's an absurd principle to think that they'd have any interest in doing so.

Israel already participates in the process. That's why they file documents with the court. Claims from two of those the pre-trial chamber rejected today, prior to issuing the warrants. Re response: your claim was participation not jurisdiction, shift goalposts however you like

Sure, and in American courts you can appear just for the purposes of disputing jurisdiction without submitting oneself to it.

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Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic was arrested and deported by the government of Yugoslavia after him. Of course, under immense pressure from the west. My preference would be that we tried him under our courts and sent him to jail in Yugoslavia/Serbia. Now, imposing "justice" obviously only works when you do it to small nations like Yugoslavia or Rwanda. Of course it will not apply to the Israel leader, let alone…

I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.

The Scofield Bible created ardent Christian zionists in the South among evangelicals.

Israel basically uses them to manipulate DC, whilst its allies in media ensure that Christians getting spat at in Jerusalem isn't widely reported.

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> they should cooperate with the ICC. Have your day in court and show how absurd the accusations are There's a reason why the US does not recognize the ICC.

yeah, the accused has no right to a jury trial with the ICC with the 6th amendment, signing the rome statute into law would be both unconstitutional and effectively subjecting US soldiers to a kangaroo court (in the eyes of the US)

Yet they insist that other countries should cooperate with the court

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The question here is why is only Israel covered in this act? Also anti-BDS legislation in finance, regardless of ethical etc. concerns? The US gives $4bn/year to Israel gratis, and so far $20bn in weapons over the course of this conflict, including advanced weapons like the F35 WITH source code access (which no other F35 partner has) - why? There have been no investigations of US deaths WRT settler violence, aid work…

We give Jordan $1.6B/year, what does it give in return? What about Ethiopia at $2B/yr?

The biggest condition behind US aid to Jordan and Egypt is them continuing friendly relations with Israel. In 1970s when this aid was started- this condition was made very explicit by USA.

So in other words, these two at least are nothing but indirect aid to Israel.

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One of the most absurdist takes I've seen even on the context of this topic, which brings out the worst in all of us. It's called sovereignty. A set of sovereign nations should absolutely be able to decide that they want to form a court and arrest someone for war crimes if they set foot in their country . It's not like the court is sending agents to non-participating countries to arrest people. If the US govt decides…

Okay, and the other country that person is a citizen of is allowed to take action in response.

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>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

Antisemitic. Every time I hear this word, I can’t help but think of its irony—a term used exclusively for describing discrimination against one community, as if prejudice against them carries more weight than against any other. Perhaps, though, it serves as the best reflection of our hypocrisy.

Not to mention there are more semitic people than Jews. And Holocaust targeted more people, too. And there were pogroms against other poeple, too.
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