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Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Re: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Post by foxyv »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #16

does nobody think this will risk nuclear war? Is this really a place we want to risk it? I'm amazed at the comments section here

Typically this would require something to be gained from engaging in nuclear war. If you bring out the nukes then you are pretty much asking to be utterly destroyed. Sure you may get some of your enemies in the meantime, but you won't survive to see them dead. Using nukes in Ukraine is just a quick way to turn every other country in the world against you.

I think it is far more likely that Russia is waiting for a change of leadership in America that is friendly to their cause. In the meantime they are digging fortifications and stocking up for a future offensive to retake Kursk and expand their holdings in Ukraine when they lose access to American munitions.

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Post by exe34 »

aguaviva wrote: post #108
ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genocidal Russians? Russia hosts the largest Ukrainian refugee population.

Russia hosts the largest Ukrainian refugee population. Absolutely false - Russia has about 1.7 million, other countries some 6 million. Whatever source you got that verbal snippet from is messing with your head.

it sounds more like he's trying to start that rumour and isn't getting very far with it....

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Post by munksbeer »

GenerocUsername wrote: post #72
bingohbangoh wrote: post #16

does nobody think this will risk nuclear war? Is this really a place we want to risk it? I'm amazed at the comments section here

The same people who were very wrong about the election seem to believe everything the same media says about Russia. Very strong correlation, very questionable propaganda

The media here in the UK told us that intel was saying Russia had gathered troops and equipment near the border of Ukraine, preparing for an invasion. Putin said they were lying.

Then Putin invaded Ukraine, but called it a special military operation.

Now our news tries to keep us updated about which territory is controlled by Russia or Ukraine, what the rough estimated casualties are, and so on.

Which part do you think they're misinforming us about?

Re: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Post by munksbeer »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #73

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Would you mind letting us know which country you're from? If Russia invaded your country, claimed part of your land, how far would you let them go, just to preserve peace? Is there a cut-off point for you, or none at all?

Re: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Post by jfengel »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #16

does nobody think this will risk nuclear war? Is this really a place we want to risk it? I'm amazed at the comments section here

That's exactly it. Up until now, it was widely believed that this would risk nuclear war, which is why it wasn't allowed.

But now the US is about to have a President who is far, far more favorable to Putin. Would Putin blow up the US just before it's going to cease support for Ukraine entirely?

This is a calculated risk. Everything about this war has been a calculated risk (and indeed, any war). There is a strong argument to be made that nuclear war was never really going to happen, and that we should have allowed Ukraine to attack Russia more directly all along. The present administration rejected that, but now that calculation has changed.

Is it correct? Who the heck knows.

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tim333 wrote: post #107
geenkeuse wrote: post #76

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The US and its allies are not very stretched in general. US troops in combat zero, US aircraft zero etc. I mean they are a bit stretched in some areas like making artillery ammo that we kind of thought was a thing of the past but there are huge amounts of stuff not being used. I don't know if you remember the 1991 gulf war? That was the last time the US flexed really. Iraq had 1,000,000+ soldiers 5,500 tanks 700+ air…

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Post by protomolecule »

alecco wrote: post #105
protomolecule wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>arming Mexican cartels It would hurt Mexicans and just plain evil.

The CIA and the Department of State did worse already all around the globe. US can't claim the moral high ground on this. So yeah, maybe think about the consequences of escalation.

I'm Russian.
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