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Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by johnnyanmac »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #50
DrillShopper wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you get flagged and banned for breaking the rules. The fact you can't comprehend this is on you.

If only that were true. See another comment in this very thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42159992 . This comment isn't breaking rules, it is simply someone attempting to argue his point of view. I think it's a foolish point of view, but that's his right and he is arguing it civilly enough. Yet he got flagged into oblivion and will almost certainly remain so - not because he broke the rules, but because h…

>I think it's a foolish point of view, but that's his right and he is arguing it civilly enough.

The bigger the claim the bigger the burden of justifying yourself. Like, I can't just stroll in and say "but Blacks being mentally inferior doesn't mean they're dumb" and leave it at that. There's been enough dogwhistles like that over the decades that that sort of driveby "well, maybe hating people is good" isn't worth entertaining without a signifigant amount of explanation.

This is the spirit of the rule behind:

>Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

So there is something flag worthy if you're this deep into a conversation then simply say "but bigotry isn't inherently bad".

Now if you do all that: will you still get down-voted for you explanation, yes. You may or may not get flagged depending on the crowd. You probably won't be banned unless you're repeatedly obsesses with this topic to no effect.

P.S. you can (perhaps invisibly) lose your flagging priveledges if you abuse those as well. flagging is not simply disagreement. It is basically saying "@ dang this is a comment you need to check out". You are wasting resources by using it willy nilly.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by jfengel »

swatcoder wrote: post #74
Waterluvian wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling that this is going to create a weird thing of some magnitude where accounts end up on popular blacklists for poor reasons and have no recourse. I’m concerned that in time it might develop into zealous communities of samethink where you have to mind any slightly dissenting opinion or you’ll get blacklisted. I think what I’m thinking about is essentially that judges cannot be replaced by community opin…

There's ultimately no getting around that kind of segmentation. You can't make everybody read what you want them to read. If you don't let people control what they encounter, whether by signing up for aggressively moderated communities or subscribing to automated curators or just manually black/white-listing as they see fit, they'll find themselves dissatisfied with all the noise and move on. Unmoderated social media…

Lack of moderation is a kind of moderation itself. It allows the loudest and most unpleasant voices to drown out everything else. "Shout louder and have a thicker skin" isn't really conducive to thoughtful discussion.

It seems to me that "say whatever you want and others have the ability to decide not to listen" is about as good a compromise as you can hope for.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by XorNot »

Waterluvian wrote: post #54
paxys wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AT Protocol already accounts for this. There will eventually be community-built content labelers and classifers that you can subscribe to to rank and moderate your own feed however you want.

I have a feeling that this is going to create a weird thing of some magnitude where accounts end up on popular blacklists for poor reasons and have no recourse. I’m concerned that in time it might develop into zealous communities of samethink where you have to mind any slightly dissenting opinion or you’ll get blacklisted. I think what I’m thinking about is essentially that judges cannot be replaced by community opin…

This is just complaining about the free speech of others though. A moderation list isn't anything more then an opinion.

That's the thing: no one is obligated to not create an echo chamber if they want to be in one.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by evbogue »

crabmusket wrote: post #138
evbogue wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If AT was distributed using a signed hash message protocol combined with a simple replication strategy (perhaps only replicating a friend and the friends friends) to spread those posts out between their PDSes this burden of moderation would fall less upon the shoulders of their main PDS. As always I refer the conversion to the ssb API documentation[1] for an example of how AT could have been made. [1] https://scuttle…

For context, one of the core Bluesky developers was very involved in Scuttlebutt. It was a deliberate decision to not make AT more similar to SSB. https://www.pfrazee.com/blog/why-not-p2p

Dig it dude. The original Patchwork was great until it didn't scale. Paul's got an amazing eye for design though, always has.

My point is centralization casts the burdon of moderation upon the centralizers.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by know-how »

ks2048 wrote: post #79
hipadev23 wrote: post #6

Due to how easy it is to setup accounts and post on Bluesky, it’s likely many of the same operatives behind the propaganda and bot armies on Twitter are now pushing the same vitriolic content, and triggering these reports. If they can negatively impact Bluesky at a critical moment, it’ll reduce the flow of users who will quickly surmise “oh this is just like twitter”

You're right, they need to do well with the bot problem to really succeed. But, it won't be "just like twitter" unless the "Discover" tab ("For You" on X) is filled the billionaire owner's non-stop hyper-partisan, political posts.

What's really funny is the same people whining about Musk's views would be cheering him on if he shared their own.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by DrillShopper »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #44
DrillShopper wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes there is, and it's not on the tolerant to tolerate the intolerant.

It actually is, insofar as the tolerant expect to get kudos for being tolerant. In practice, "the intolerant" lines up exactly with "my outgroup that I dislike", and that is exactly who you get points for tolerating. Now if tolerance isn't supposed to be a virtue and you aren't supposed to get brownie points for being tolerant, then fine whatever. But that isn't how people act when they misuse the paradox of toleranc…

Actually no, to quote a modern poet under no circumstances do you "gotta hand it to them"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Go back to debate class

My tolerance is not performative and fuck you for strawmanning it

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by iambateman »

astrange wrote: post #89
ranger_danger wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention all the people extremely confused over what "CSAM" is seemingly without having the ability to google it.

I think your life is better off if you don't know what that means, so feel free not to look it up.

This is definitely true here and probably true in lots of other areas.

I have a friend who didn’t know who won the US presidential election until I told him. He just had other things going on. Part of me envies that kind of focus.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by Supermancho »

astrange wrote: post #134
tourmalinetaco wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason people want change is not because they are “irrational” or “fearful”, it is because the people in power have demonstrated their inability to lead in every capacity. In Germany the government has literally collapsed due to the former coalition’s ineptitude. Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. In England innocents are being murdered and the governm…

> Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. No, it's about the same as 2019: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019: https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010 In fact, every single economic indicator is currently better than 2019. One thing you can say that may be…

> No, it's about the same as 2019:

I dont think this graph demonstrates what you think it does. Household income is up, but individual income is down, by the same source: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N This would imply that income is down (especially factoring ever present inflation), but households have grown.

> Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019:

The Unexpected Compression study is about a specific subset of wages (low), not income. These are different things, even in broad definitions. Inflation is not solved. It continues to be leveraged and has a lasting effect.

> So I think you should consider those people are lying.

I believe that they are ignorant first.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by know-how »

CharlesW wrote: post #68
Waterluvian wrote: post #41

I suspect that when people love Bluesky so much, a lot of that is actually just the fact that it’s free and has no ads and the population was quite manageable. I don’t think I’ve seen a concrete plan for how it’s going to keep scaling and pay the bills.

"With this fundraise, we will continue supporting and growing Bluesky’s community, investing in Trust and Safety, and supporting the ATmosphere developer ecosystem. In addition, we will begin developing a subscription model for features like higher quality video uploads or profile customizations like colors and avatar frames. Bluesky will always be free to use — we believe that information and conversation should be…

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Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by rustcleaner »

ranger_danger wrote: post #3
yapyap wrote: post #2

“ Excessive moderation is a barrier to open and robust debate, ultimately undermining the diversity of perspectives that make meaningful discourse possible. Supressing dissenting opinions will lead to an echo chamber effect. Would you like to join me an upcoming campaign to restore Europe? Deus vult!” ah social media, some people are truly as dumb as rocks

Not to mention all the people extremely confused over what "CSAM" is seemingly without having the ability to google it.

CSAM: the digital munitions glowies drop on a target they intend to frame and eliminate. Examples include free speech imageboards, blogs hosting unpopular opinions and the communities surrounding them, etc.

I can't run a free speech darknet site because some glowboy will upload CP to it and then netflow dox me to put me in a federal pen if I'm not fast enough on it! The only good fix is "there are no illegal numbers."

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