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Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Due to how easy it is to setup accounts and post on Bluesky, it’s likely many of the same operatives behind the propaganda and bot armies on Twitter are now pushing the same vitriolic content, and triggering these reports. If they can negatively impact Bluesky at a critical moment, it’ll reduce the flow of users who will quickly surmise “oh this is just like twitter”

This underestimates the effect of Bluesky’s culture of “block and move on”. There are curated block lists you can subscribe to. Individual communities do a pretty good job of shutting down toxicity they don’t want to engage with.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

#43

I think the central nature of moderation needs fixed, rather than moderation itself. Real world moderation doesn't work by having a central censor, it involves like-minded people identifying into a group and having their access to conversation enabled by that identification. When the conversation no longer suits the group, the person is no longer welcome. I think a technical model of this could be made to work. Looke…

The whole point of online discussion IMO is not to join some little hive mind where everyone agrees with each other (eg many subreddits) but rather to have discussion between people with different information bases and different viewpoints. That's why it's valuable, you learn new things and are exposed to different points of views.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Yes there is, and it's not on the tolerant to tolerate the intolerant.

It actually is, insofar as the tolerant expect to get kudos for being tolerant. In practice, "the intolerant" lines up exactly with "my outgroup that I dislike", and that is exactly who you get points for tolerating.

Now if tolerance isn't supposed to be a virtue and you aren't supposed to get brownie points for being tolerant, then fine whatever. But that isn't how people act when they misuse the paradox of tolerance, they are still looking to get brownie points while just hating on their enemies just as humans have for millennia.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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The AT Protocol already accounts for this. There will eventually be community-built content labelers and classifers that you can subscribe to to rank and moderate your own feed however you want.

I understand the moderators working for the big social networks have a terrible job and often see the worst the internet has to offer. Who is going to do that job as a volunteer? Or is that expected to be solved by technology? Hard to imagine them achieving what Google, Facebook etc could not reliably.

The internet has been run on volunteer moderators for a long long long long long time.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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That problem is unsolvable

What about using TPM modules? I've been researching these modules lately, primarily for use in online video games. From my understanding, you can use TPMs to effectively ban players (TPM ban) based on their hardware. This would mean every time an account is banned, the bad actor would have to switch to a different TPM. Since a TPM costs real money, this places a limit on the scalability of a bad actor.

> What about using TPM modules? I've been researching these modules lately, primarily for use in online video games. From my understanding, you can use TPMs to effectively ban players (TPM ban) based on their hardware. This would mean every time an account is banned, the bad actor would have to switch to a different TPM. Since a TPM costs real money, this places a limit on the scalability of a bad actor.

It is even worse for privacy than phone number. You can never change it and you can be linked between different services, soon automatically if Google goes forward with the plans.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Most people would be OK with suppressing CSAM. At least I hope most people are.

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> I am very okay with not seeing CSAM, but your argument doesn’t hold water.

By this you mean that its very easy to define a clear set of rules for moderation?

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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The audience Bluesky is currently cultivating is the kind of audience that mashes the report button every time they see something they disagree with, so this isn't surprising.

If the user base actually keeps growing at a steady rate, I don't see how they'll get the resources to deal with so many reports (especially since they don't seem to have a plan to monetize the site yet) without resorting to the usual low-effort solutions, such as using some sort of algorithm that bans automatically based on keywords or number of reports.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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No you get flagged and banned for breaking the rules. The fact you can't comprehend this is on you.

If only that were true. See another comment in this very thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42159992. This comment isn't breaking rules, it is simply someone attempting to argue his point of view. I think it's a foolish point of view, but that's his right and he is arguing it civilly enough. Yet he got flagged into oblivion and will almost certainly remain so - not because he broke the rules, but because he expressed a view which is unpopular.

I would like it to be the case that people only flag posts which they think violate the rules, but that unfortunately isn't so. People on this site (just as with other sites) treat moderator reporting as a "super fuck this guy" button quite frequently.

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