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Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by johnnyanmac »

beeflet wrote: post #99
almatabata wrote: post #56

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> without resorting to the usual low-effort solutions, such as using some sort of algorithm that bans automatically based on keywords or number of reports. Or you prioritize reports from accounts with a proven track record. If I consistently report posts that clearly violate the rules why shouldn't my report count more than an account that just got created? If you consistently report nonsense then you should accumula…

What should the karma be of a new account? That is the minimum karma that spammers can readily abuse.

The baseline model is reddit. You start at 0, and if you get negative you're timegated from replying. HN has a karma system as well. You need 500 karma to downvote (or something to that effect).

Honestly, I think something like a StackExchange lite reputation system could work well here. But as more for a credibility system than an authority one. Someone with a good reputation (by the users and the site itself) is probably making more credible reports than a newer person or a troll.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #118
floobertoober wrote: post #111

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I disagree - IMO the idea of having superdelegates is terrible. Any way of picking your party's candidate that deviates from how the candidate is selected in the general is setting yourself up for failure. IMO this is part of why the party has lost steam and alignment with their base. That does fall on the DNC, I think

This isn't an opinion up for debate unless you study foreign policy: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/12/voters... we can talk about super delegates if we want, but this is a worlwide phenomenon and goes past advertising and faux represenation. People are frustrated and want change. Any change. They are afraid and fearful people don't make rational choices.

The reason people want change is not because they are “irrational” or “fearful”, it is because the people in power have demonstrated their inability to lead in every capacity. In Germany the government has literally collapsed due to the former coalition’s ineptitude. Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. In England innocents are being murdered and the government instead focuses on the people upset about the murders, calling them “terrorists”.

If I fail at my job I am fired, that is a logical outcome. Why do you feel that politicians should be treated differently?

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by johnnyanmac »

whaaaaat wrote: post #5
OutOfHere wrote: post #4

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Moderation is orthogonal to free speech. They are separate concerns.

There is no such thing as true "free speech". If only because you need some regulation to keep others from infringing on your free speech. Lest the concept simply becomes meaningless.

Even the US has limits. You cannot post a naked kid online, you cannot incite violence or panic (yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre). Many states won't let you post revenge porn.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by astrange »

tourmalinetaco wrote: post #132
johnnyanmac wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't an opinion up for debate unless you study foreign policy: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/12/voters... we can talk about super delegates if we want, but this is a worlwide phenomenon and goes past advertising and faux represenation. People are frustrated and want change. Any change. They are afraid and fearful people don't make rational choices.

The reason people want change is not because they are “irrational” or “fearful”, it is because the people in power have demonstrated their inability to lead in every capacity. In Germany the government has literally collapsed due to the former coalition’s ineptitude. Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. In England innocents are being murdered and the governm…

> Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up.

No, it's about the same as 2019:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010

In fact, every single economic indicator is currently better than 2019.

One thing you can say that may be true is that voters are upset because they remember inflation from 2021-22 and are still reacting to it. Or that they don't like high interest rates. And housing prices are bad in blue states and that is the local governments' fault.

But one thing we see from US voters is that R voters claim the economy is bad under a D president and immediately switch to claiming it's good under an R president. So I think you should consider those people are lying.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by johnnyanmac »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #44
DrillShopper wrote: post #28

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Yes there is, and it's not on the tolerant to tolerate the intolerant.

It actually is, insofar as the tolerant expect to get kudos for being tolerant. In practice, "the intolerant" lines up exactly with "my outgroup that I dislike", and that is exactly who you get points for tolerating. Now if tolerance isn't supposed to be a virtue and you aren't supposed to get brownie points for being tolerant, then fine whatever. But that isn't how people act when they misuse the paradox of toleranc…

>It actually is, insofar as the tolerant expect to get kudos for being tolerant.

You're arguing with a strawman. I just want to have a civil discussion without it degrading into racial slurs as the bare minimum. Personal attacks in general should be discoraged, but I've been around a while and my standards are low.

The psychological question of morals and tolerance doesn't seem to amount to much. I don't think anyone would ever claim the internet is full of moral actors. but sure. The ability to accept and consider multiple viewpoints is a good moral to strive to.

Hence, the paradox of tolerance: in that you must reject concepts that overall limit your ability to empathize and expand your viewpoints. dismissing information because of superficial physical features of the speaker is simply ignorant.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by astrange »

tourmalinetaco wrote: post #126
astrange wrote: post #91

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Don't read too much into something happening. That was about the narrowest possible loss and it doesn't validate most reasons it could've happened.

“Narrowest possible lost”, sure, minus the fact that despite raising over $1B the Harris campaign still ended up $20M in debt, Republicans are majority in every section of elected government with plans to reinforce that, millions of Americans are becoming disillusioned with Democratic ideology, and you even have the president and his wife casting aside his own VP in favor of Trump by refusing to attend her election n…

> minus the fact that despite raising over $1B the Harris campaign still ended up $20M in debt

Why do you think this is worth bringing up? Because it has numbers in it? I don't know what happens to the debt of a campaign after it's over, but I do know it's neither of our problems. It sounds like they've already covered it through late donations though.

Her campaign was swing state-focused and it does seem like it worked in those states (based on relative swings), but it had an unusually short length of time to run. It likely would've just worked if it was a normal length campaign, or if she'd gone on Rogan.

> Republicans are majority in every section of elected government with plans to reinforce that

More like plans to lose it. Enough cabinet members have been pulled from R House members that they're going to have a 2-3 person majority for months.

Starting a presidential year with a trifecta isn't rare, but even more common is that they lose it in the midterms. US voters have no consistent opinions, but their most consistent opinion is "thermostatic swing" - in a midterm year they always vote against whoever is president. Basically they're just haters.

> millions of Americans are becoming disillusioned with Democratic ideology

Eh. I think any theory which assumes voters are actually paying attention or have coherent ideologies is wrong. They have better things to do than that.

In particular, Trump and Obama are very similar here - they're both popular with all kinds of people, because everyone just kind of imagines he agrees with them. (Also, neither of them have successors, which the rest of their party should be worried about.)

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by ranger_danger »

beeflet wrote: post #92
ranger_danger wrote: post #7

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How would they make it harder / reduce bots without sacrificing privacy (such as SMS/ID verification/etc.)? I think if you can realistically solve that you'd be a millionaire already.

hashcash

How does proof of work prevent bots or spam? Most of these bots run full-blown browsers now.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by crabmusket »

evbogue wrote: post #102
paxys wrote: post #19

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The AT Protocol already accounts for this. There will eventually be community-built content labelers and classifers that you can subscribe to to rank and moderate your own feed however you want.

If AT was distributed using a signed hash message protocol combined with a simple replication strategy (perhaps only replicating a friend and the friends friends) to spread those posts out between their PDSes this burden of moderation would fall less upon the shoulders of their main PDS. As always I refer the conversion to the ssb API documentation[1] for an example of how AT could have been made. [1] https://scuttle…

For context, one of the core Bluesky developers was very involved in Scuttlebutt. It was a deliberate decision to not make AT more similar to SSB.

https://www.pfrazee.com/blog/why-not-p2p

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by jabroni_salad »

QuantumG wrote: post #96
jabroni_salad wrote: post #18

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this IMO is why groupchat is best social network. Anything with more than 20 people doesnt go on my phone. sorry marketers.

What are you doing here then?

this place has a tight enough focus to be decent. generalist platforms are doomed from the cradle.

Re: We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour

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Post by CptFribble »

astrange wrote: post #134
tourmalinetaco wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason people want change is not because they are “irrational” or “fearful”, it is because the people in power have demonstrated their inability to lead in every capacity. In Germany the government has literally collapsed due to the former coalition’s ineptitude. Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. In England innocents are being murdered and the governm…

> Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. No, it's about the same as 2019: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019: https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010 In fact, every single economic indicator is currently better than 2019. One thing you can say that may be…

> R voters claim the economy is bad under a D president and immediately switch to claiming it's good under an R president.

adding on to this, typically it takes 1-3 years for the effects of an administration to really bear fruit in the economy, either good or ill. So a common tactic from the R side the last several presidential cycles is to claim ownership of the economy handed to them by the outgoing D president, then when their policies cause some kind of problem, blame the incoming D president 4 years later.

See also: who the R's blame the deficit on vs. which party's presidents actually increased the deficit the most over the last 20-25 years.

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