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Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by Nition »

crummy wrote: post #68
Nition wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One issue I can forsee: - Every contractor (plumber etc) you hire will ask you to please add them to your contact list first so that they can message you. - After a while of half their clients not doing that and lots of fees on their end, contractors stop providing a phone number at all, asking you to please install ContractorApp to communicate with them.

Maybe when you first receive a text you see: This message is from an unknown number. (Accept / Block / Charge sender $1)

Ha! Okay, I like this, I think it changes my mind on the whole thing being viable. There's probably some reason it wouldn't work in reality but the satisfaction from pressing the charge $1 option on spam would be huge.

I disagree about the we-adda-baby-itsa-boy issue. I don't see how that'd apply given that you can charge them $1 from the very first message.

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Post by IshKebab »

xnx wrote: post #23

Seems like the logical endpoint of a lot of this is people getting paid directly for their attention. Want to call me? I've set a price of $5/call that I answer, and an additional $10/minute of listen time after the first 10 seconds. Want to send me an email? $1/email and $5/100 words. Anyone I have emailed is automatically on my allow-list, which I can also adjust manually.

Well... I still get SMS spam. I assume spammers just use other people's hacked phones.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by kombookcha »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #208

This scratches an itch, sure, but the people manning the phones for a scammer are likely to be in a pretty desperate situation themselves. They may or may not be free to leave, etc. I'd like to find a way to help them roll over on their bosses and find their way to something more productive, rather than just making their bosses madder at them.

>I'd like to find a way to help them roll over on their bosses

They're unlikely to do this, because scam call centers are typically a branch of local organized crime syndicates. There is nowhere for them to roll, because their boss' boss also pays a bunch of crooked cops and whatnot.

The bottom rung guys doing the actual calling aren't gangsters, but further up the organization they are, so attempting to fuck with the organization from the bottom will not end well for you if you live in that area and lack protection.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by Scoundreller »

IshKebab wrote: post #212
xnx wrote: post #23

Seems like the logical endpoint of a lot of this is people getting paid directly for their attention. Want to call me? I've set a price of $5/call that I answer, and an additional $10/minute of listen time after the first 10 seconds. Want to send me an email? $1/email and $5/100 words. Anyone I have emailed is automatically on my allow-list, which I can also adjust manually.

Well... I still get SMS spam. I assume spammers just use other people's hacked phones.

You can get a sim for a few bucks and spam under the rate limit.

You can buy jigs that hold hundreds of SIMs connected to a handful of cellular modems connected to a c&c and drip them out.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by [deleted] »

bsdice wrote: post #135

The scam and spam call problem is really bad in Germany to this day. And has been for 10 years. A couple years ago I would sit at my desk thinking about a really hard problem in silence. The phone rings. Spam call. Every 30-180 minutes another one. If you now think turn the phone off, well not that easy as CEO of a business when people expect you to be reachable. It creamed my corn so much that I recorded my own voic…

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Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by Scoundreller »

Pikamander2 wrote: post #161
burger_moon wrote: post #146

I applied for a mortgage today through my bank. Before the automated “next steps” email could hit my inbox my phone was already ringing and ringing and ringing. About 10 minutes straight of automated spam callers that are watching who knows what public ledger on now. I guess it pretty much means retiring this number next year. I’ve inly had the number a little over a year and the spam has slowly crept up despite best…

We accidentally registered a domain once without the privacy setting enabled and proceeded to get dozens of spam/scam calls about it over the next few months.

Do registrars verify the numbers?

Might put the number of someone I don’t like first; then flip the privacy setting and fix the number

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by worthless-trash »

ttul wrote: post #26
axus wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah! So step 2 is wait for the spammers to automate blacklisting of Daisy phone numbers, and only then start rolling out a (paid) Daisy option to customers. Not connecting calls doesn't waste spammer money, but maybe Daisy does. If the big telco can find 10 righteous callers from a a bad actor telecom, they should keep routing the calls.

My friend works for a big telco and is the guy fixing this problem for them. They have amazing powers of deception when they need it. New numbers can be conjured up at any time.

I hate to say this.. but I find this very difficult to believe..

I don't think any telco puts effort into stopping spammers.. I'd like them to but I don't think it's something they either can care or legally capable of fixing.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by ycombinator_acc »

Ocha wrote: post #153
bsdice wrote: post #135

The scam and spam call problem is really bad in Germany to this day. And has been for 10 years. A couple years ago I would sit at my desk thinking about a really hard problem in silence. The phone rings. Spam call. Every 30-180 minutes another one. If you now think turn the phone off, well not that easy as CEO of a business when people expect you to be reachable. It creamed my corn so much that I recorded my own voic…

Screen unknown callers to VM. Solved all my problems

VM? Virtual machine?

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by etlabaume »

Szpadel wrote: post #121
lhamil64 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until they catch on and un-blacklist the numbers periodically.

we all know the end game: ai scammer talking to ai granny

Half of the spam calls I get today are AI. And I get more or less one spam call a day.
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