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Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by valzam »

bsdice wrote: post #135

The scam and spam call problem is really bad in Germany to this day. And has been for 10 years. A couple years ago I would sit at my desk thinking about a really hard problem in silence. The phone rings. Spam call. Every 30-180 minutes another one. If you now think turn the phone off, well not that easy as CEO of a business when people expect you to be reachable. It creamed my corn so much that I recorded my own voic…

Surprised to hear this as well. I have never received a Spam call growing up in Germany and living there again between 2015-2019. In 2019 I moved to Australia and spam calls have been a constant annoyance due to massive data leaks across all banks and public institutions.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by ryandrake »

mos_basik wrote: post #158
xnx wrote: post #23

Seems like the logical endpoint of a lot of this is people getting paid directly for their attention. Want to call me? I've set a price of $5/call that I answer, and an additional $10/minute of listen time after the first 10 seconds. Want to send me an email? $1/email and $5/100 words. Anyone I have emailed is automatically on my allow-list, which I can also adjust manually.

That's EVE Online's approach to fighting ingame "email" spam [0]. Every player can configure an amount of ingame money that is levied from a sender's account to deliver a message to them. It's a currency sink, so it's themed as a "tax" levied by the NPCs and its value is destroyed rather than paid to the recipient of the message. I thought it used to default to 5 ISK (a pittance, something you can make back by shooti…

> it's themed as a "tax" levied by the NPCs and its value is destroyed rather than paid to the recipient of the message.

It’s a cool idea and would work good for real world fines, too: fines that destroy the money paid instead of transfer it (to the city, the court, the police and so on). The fines would disincentivize bad behavior, while also not incentivizing the police to “go generate some crime” because it pays them.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by zahlman »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #140
lupusreal wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have reiterated your position after I disputed it, a behavior which may be described as "doubling down". This term carries a negative connotation, and therefore proves the other person (myself) correct.

> have reiterated your position I clarified my position. The visualisation isn't the totem per se . The representation is. > term carries a negative connotation, and therefore proves the other person (myself) correct Nobody said you were wrong. Correct, necessary and even germane are distinct.

Several other comments ITT raise the spectre of a future where AI scammers and AI recipients are at war.

The above comments seem to me much like a simulacrum of how that might go. The comment exchange should have stopped much sooner.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by botanical76 »

e-khadem wrote: post #174
ddtaylor wrote: post #66

I love that they are weaponizing the perceived kindness of senior citizens in this way. Many of the victims of scams are some of the nicest people ever that were taken advantage of in some capacity - usually while trying to help someone. It's the digital age equivalent of staging a broken down cart and then robbing some old folks. I think most of us hate the idea of the "solution" being to not go near anyone with a b…

> I would rather a world where scammers odds at making a living at this are so poor they won't bother Then what's stopping the scammers from finding another "evil" job that makes money? You have to remember that humans tend to not enjoy accomplishing thievery and the scammers most often do this out of necessity. Of course there are big call center operators who truly are terrible people, but this conclusion is true f…

What is your suggestion? It seems like you could discourage any form of preventative action against immoral behaviour this way. There is _always_ something worse than the problem at hand.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by akoboldfrying »

EasyMark wrote: post #179
immibis wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then suddenly, calls from consenting callers to consenting receivers are labeled as spam and blocked. What can you do about it? Nothing. Switch to email, I guess. Oh wait, same problem.

I’ll take my chances. 99%of the people I want to talk to either email/text me first or are already in my contacts list (which I’m not really all that picky about). I’ll accept that failure rate.

Isn't "emailing you first" just kicking the can down the road? What stops spam emails getting through to you? (Besides the exact kind of heuristic filtering you seem to be objecting to, that is.)

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

This scratches an itch, sure, but the people manning the phones for a scammer are likely to be in a pretty desperate situation themselves. They may or may not be free to leave, etc. I'd like to find a way to help them roll over on their bosses and find their way to something more productive, rather than just making their bosses madder at them.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by gitaarik »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #8

Of course, the scammers have created their own AI to call people and scam them so it's just playing catchup. It's like corporate avatars for hiring or cold call bots for sales. I'd say stick to white listed numbers, but pro phones can't do that, and they are the most prone to spam.

It would seem to me that it's a lot easier to build an AI that acts as a non-tech-savvy granny to keep scammers busy, than one that actually successfully executes a complete scam from start to finish on a real life person.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by adr1an »

stevenpetryk wrote: post #185
lotsofpulp wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It creamed my corn so much Come again? Edit: I guess it is in urban dictionary, but my first thought was the last definition listed: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=creams%20my%...

Cream my corn again?

Sure. Just don't eat it too fast.
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