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Post by cyp0633 »

0dayz wrote: post #125
cyp0633 wrote: post #115

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Both depend on whether you believe in the government actually. When we say "Chinese state media", we're really talking about a media controlled by the government, especially for those political topics

This would be true even with private actors, at the end of the day it's whoever has concrete evidence of something taking place. If the FBI is going to make the broad statement that China is hacking the USA, it'll have to back that statement up by evidence presented in court against individuals the FBI has investigated for hacking into US companies/government orgs.

Seems that you just don't believe the other side has done some investigation and therefore did not search for it. I'm not saying that either incident is fake but you've just proved my point of view.

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Post by EasyMark »

clwg wrote: post #35

I was working with MISP[0], an open-source threat intelligence sharing platform, and came across a really interesting dataset from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute on China's technology research institutions[1]. I liked the data so much I built a quick cross-filter visualization on top of it to help explore it[2]. The data offers a fairly comprehensive and interesting perspective on China's research prioriti…

China mostly works as a meritocracy. The US has done that mostly int the past but the current leadership is essentially adding witchdoctors and criminals to the government departments that will be overseeing security and infrastructure and we will likely face some dire situations and terroristic infrastructure catastrophes over that for the next 4 years or so as the CCP and Russian hackers do whatever they want with our systems because the fox is now in the hen house.

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Post by coretx »

dralley wrote: post #33
beepbooptheory wrote: post #21

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I think its kind of hard to imagine its not totally complementary in this respect. Even just being rational, if we have no qualms spying on our European allies, it seems a safe bet to assume we would be doing that and much more to China too. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57302806

Considering how deeply infiltrated German intelligence services were/are by Russia, it's hard to feel bad about spying on them. At least the Dutch are competent.

Belgacom, Diginotar, Stuxnet Anything involving Fox-IT. Just to mention three cases involving black mailed ministers and involving corrupt intelligence public servants. The Dutch are not competent, they are corrupt as hell. Access to anything Dutch is for sale and on bulk discount.

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Post by throwaway290 »

cyp0633 wrote: post #141
0dayz wrote: post #125

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This would be true even with private actors, at the end of the day it's whoever has concrete evidence of something taking place. If the FBI is going to make the broad statement that China is hacking the USA, it'll have to back that statement up by evidence presented in court against individuals the FBI has investigated for hacking into US companies/government orgs.

Seems that you just don't believe the other side has done some investigation and therefore did not search for it. I'm not saying that either incident is fake but you've just proved my point of view.

You are correct that we choose what to believe based on what we think is more likely or useful. We don't have time to research all the things

But that is not relevant to point that Chinese state media (which is in a way all their media, like becoming in Russia now) is wrong and lies regularly but will never undermine the cult of personality at the top of the government that owns it by admitting the lies.

To deny that you need to go all tinfoil on me and say most instances where they lied is made up by the West. Like idk Tiananmen didn't happen or whatever. If you believe that then sure.

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Post by golergka »

cyp0633 wrote: post #72
throwaway290 wrote: post #66

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According to Chinese state media, Chinese state media is never wrong

Believe it or not, it's up to you; the same goes with FBI

FBI have admitted it was wrong in a number of high profile cases, so no, FBI is not always right according to FBI.

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Post by golergka »

echelon wrote: post #59
WiSaGaN wrote: post #39

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At least you have CIA openly recruit spies on Twitter: https://x.com/CIA/status/1841468925378171381 I think only CIA and mossad have the confidence to do it this way.

That's wild. What's the situation like on the ground? I've read that the CCP sentences spies to death and that they catch a lot of them.

I don't doubt CCP has sentenced a lot of people to death for spying for US, but I wonder how many of these were actual spies and how many where there just to fill a quota and earn a promotion. Communist regimes are not famous for having respect for their citizens well-being, fair and just justice system, or checks and balances which limit government overreach, especially for intelligence agencies.

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Post by __m »

coretx wrote: post #124
throwthrowee wrote: post #62

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> China can very easily compel anyone they need into the government I have worked with people in Chinese tech companies and in Chinese tech ministries, and I don't think this statement is true, any more than in the US. In the US, there are talented techies who work for FAANG, startups, Palantir, NSA, etc etc. Similarly in China.

Compel is a euphemism for a "friendly" visit to your wife & children or elderly parents. The western equivalent is to lawyer someone to death. Don't be naive.

Source?

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Post by medo-bear »

tivert wrote: post #140
medo-bear wrote: post #136

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The US used to be by far the largest country in the developed world. It could be argued that sheer numbers allowed it to succeed and dominate throughout the previous century. Today the US is no longer the largest country in the developed world, not by a long shot

What's your point? Your comment doesn't really address anything relevant regarding the US's goals and positioning to achieve them. For instance, if the US wants to to secure its networks and be able to respond effectively to hacking threats from its geopolitical rivals, it may have to invest proportionally more of its human resources in infosec to remain competitive. I see no good reason why it can't do that. Also, n…

Im just offering you an explanation about evolution of powers in the world, and human resources is a huge factor. Already in his last mandate Trump was constantly talking about the power of US military, much like Russia does about its nukes. These sort of things are done out of weakness, not strength

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Post by morpheuskafka »

mikrotikker wrote: post #135
morpheuskafka wrote: post #133

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The US famously compromised the Greek phone switches a while back, which were written in Erlang and thus so was the malware (correction--it was actually the proprietary predecessor to Erland, called PLEX). An telecom employee died under mysterious circumstances in the aftermath and the US Embassy in Athens was found to have close ties to the individuals involved; a CIA employee was later charged and fled back to the…

Wasn't it that the Greek govt allowed the NSA in to monitor the Olympics but they overstayed their welcome?

They were invited to provide some kind of assistance, but I can't imagine they were given the green light to upload arbitrary code into the countrywide telephone exchange without notifying the Greeks at all, or providing a copy of it.

It's not just that they added Greek officials phones to the monitoring list alongside legitimate suspects, but the whole program itself was hidden. Nor is it clear how the US could have forwarded any legitimate threats captured without admitting the whole program.

The whole Olympics rationale is a bit weird too. Yes, it is a big event and there have been a few terrorist attacks in its history, but relatively few considering its huge scale. Also, almost every state actor is participating and thus unlikely to cause any major trouble. It's a big propaganda thing for most of the US-order enemies. It doesn't really make sense why the NSA would have been authorized such extensive access, to the exclusion of the host country's own personnel, instead of requesting help from neighboring EU countries that already presumably cooperate on law enforcement.

That sounds like a cover story the US made up to change it from "act of war" level to "oops we forgot to ask if this was okay."

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