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Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by zkry »

pjdesno wrote: post #67
teddyh wrote: post #6

> We are primarily a Go and Python shop, which means our only real option is VSCode I’d like to echo the sentiments of Reddit user tikhonjelvis, who commented¹: “Man, I knew CS programs were skimping on Emacs fundamentals, but I hadn't realized it was this bad.” 1. https://old.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1gqj7qa/my... >

I've used GNU Emacs since the mid 80s. It was good in its day, but I think there may be better alternatives nowadays. I can't be sure, though, because using Emacs as an expert is definitely better than using those other systems as a beginner, so I haven't gotten around to getting over the learning curve.

I started using Emacs in the late 10s and I can definitely say that depending on your values there are no alternatives that even come close.

If you want the absolute minimum learning curve then perhaps there are better options, but I'm pretty sure you'll be stuck at a local maximum there.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by sumosudo »

vincent-manis wrote: post #136
elashri wrote: post #94

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Amen to that. Although I think I feel like I am participating in a war I don't want to be part of. But this has been a line in my shell config since I was teenager. export EDITOR=vim VISUAL=vim # Viva vim, death to emacs

OK, since we're wasting our time on the Pointless Editor War, I shall confess I know exactly one thing about Vim, the command `:q!'. That's all I've ever needed to know.

z z

Much quicker exit ;)

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by zkry »

tsimionescu wrote: post #82
teddyh wrote: post #34

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People who write “our only real option is VSCode” about Python and Go programmers are ignorant of what Emacs can do. Some people may prefer something else, but Emacs is a real option.

As a five+ year Emacs user who primarily codes in Go and some Python, and is aware of eglot, other LSPs, elpy, etc: I fully agree that VSCode is the only real option. If you happen to have a passion for Emacs, as I do, awesome. But it's not realistic to start using Emacs when you need to switch off of another editor. I would never suggest to a new co-worker "try Emacs", though I would be more than happy to help them…

As an enthusiast myself I'd be tempted to come to the same conclusion but I'm surprised with the options and learning resources out there how quick some people can get up to speed in Emacs. Yeah, it will probably take a good weekend project worth of time, but it's pretty easily doable to make the switch.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by camgunz »

sitzkrieg wrote: post #131
camgunz wrote: post #128

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I'm genuinely super curious because I hear this a lot, but the deepest I ever got was... 5 apps? Do you have some kind of like generic cover letter/resume you fire off 3 times a day? What is your process?

when was the last time you did this? its absolutely awful still

Earlier this year. I did have pretty bad luck, then did some contracting, then converted that into an FTE role.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by camgunz »

pluc wrote: post #154
camgunz wrote: post #128

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I'm genuinely super curious because I hear this a lot, but the deepest I ever got was... 5 apps? Do you have some kind of like generic cover letter/resume you fire off 3 times a day? What is your process?

The first ~3 months I wrote specific cover letters and modified my resume according to what I was applying. Then I gave up and just blindly applied to everything without bothering to read anything other than the title and specific qualifications using a generic (but detailed and well-structured) resume.

Thanks for your response--that's incredible stamina to do that for 3 months.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by burnt-resistor »

elashri wrote: post #94
brazzledazzle wrote: post #39

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The main reason is that Vim is better, right?

Amen to that. Although I think I feel like I am participating in a war I don't want to be part of. But this has been a line in my shell config since I was teenager. export EDITOR=vim VISUAL=vim # Viva vim, death to emacs

Technoreligious wars are emotional / black-and-white / stupid thinking / herd mentality, a priori. There is more than one way and one tool in the toolbox. You might not "like" every thing, but other things exist, function, and accomplish work.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by burnt-resistor »

sshine wrote: post #144
vincent-manis wrote: post #136

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OK, since we're wasting our time on the Pointless Editor War, I shall confess I know exactly one thing about Vim, the command `:q!'. That's all I've ever needed to know.

It’s one third of what you’ll ever need to use Vim: i :w :q

It's been reduced to q in lazyvim, at least at the intro screen.

Re: My company has banned the use of Jetbrains IDEs internally

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Post by theanonymousone »

toprerules wrote: post #9

I've seen so many editors come and go, and yet I've been using Vim for the past 20 years and have never had a problem. As stupid as it sounds, if I could give one piece of advice to any entry level SWE, it would be to learn Vim or Emacs and just stick with it for your whole career.

Sticking with something "for your whole career" is a very bold advice that must be taken with appropriate caution. No?
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