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PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Re: PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Post by foohoge »

baka367 wrote: post #94
wordofx wrote: post #88

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Hahahhahahah no way. Salaries in Japan, Korea, Singapore are WAY better than China.

Better than avg(China) - sure. Better than tier1(China), where most of the research happens - the salaries in China are easily beating Japan and significant portion of the EU "centers" on top of having significantly lower cost of living on most of the relevant dimensions.

As I said in another thread, you can live cheaply in Japan if you're about 20 minutes by train from Tokyo. In that thread, someone said that rent is expensive in Beijing and Shanghai. It looks similar.

Anyway, in China I heard that if you go to hospital in a different household registration, you have to pay the full medical costs. It sounds the cost of living in China is expensive.

Re: PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Post by numpad0 »

foohoge wrote: post #92
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #91

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Not in tech. There is a weird de-emphasis of programmers in countries that aren’t the USA or mainland china. So a programmer from Japan with some experience/skills can move to Beijing (yes, there were many Japanese expat SWEs when I was there) for a better salary.

What? I'm Japanese but I've never heard a story about changing jobs to Chinese company. I heard a lot of stories about changing jobs to GAFAM. Could you tell me more about that?

I don't think it's that much of an outrageous claim, plenty of our fellow countrymen works at local regional branches and English wings of China-owned companies these days. It doesn't take much stretch from there to imagine some of them moving to near their HQ.

It's annoying that sometimes people thinks there has to be basic mutual intelligibility between Chinese and Japanese languages against the reality that there's none, but this is not about that at all. Chill.

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Post by 0dayz »

cyp0633 wrote: post #72
throwaway290 wrote: post #66

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According to Chinese state media, Chinese state media is never wrong

Believe it or not, it's up to you; the same goes with FBI

The FBI is not the same as a news agency however.

So that point is null.

Re: PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Post by 0dayz »

talldayo wrote: post #80
throwaway290 wrote: post #69

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As if they contributed to West even remotely as much as West contributed to them. Help getting lifted from poverty and being given a ton of tech/innovations, turnabout my ass...

Conversely, you could look at that as a mistake on the West's half for letting themselves become so addicted to a foreign power they are ideologically at-odds with. We could have learned this mistake when we sold Pakistan weapons they used to genocide people, or again when we gave Iran weapons they would turn around and use for terrorism, or yet again when we furnish weapons to Israel pitting one ugly nationalist the…

USA never gave weapons beyond required (hostage crisis) to Iran.

And China is doing a lot more than exploiting capitalism. They are pushing neo imperialism just like Russia.

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Post by tw1984 »

foohoge wrote: post #101
baka367 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better than avg(China) - sure. Better than tier1(China), where most of the research happens - the salaries in China are easily beating Japan and significant portion of the EU "centers" on top of having significantly lower cost of living on most of the relevant dimensions.

As I said in another thread, you can live cheaply in Japan if you're about 20 minutes by train from Tokyo. In that thread, someone said that rent is expensive in Beijing and Shanghai. It looks similar. Anyway, in China I heard that if you go to hospital in a different household registration, you have to pay the full medical costs. It sounds the cost of living in China is expensive.

> in China I heard that if you go to hospital in a different household registration, you have to pay the full medical costs.

When talking about paying such full medical costs, let me share some concrete numbers with you, all numbers are from tier 1 cities like Shanghai -

Chest CT scan is 170-200 RMB, or 25-30 USD MRI scan is 260-460 RMB, or 35-65 USD Ultrasound is 20-170 RMB, or 3-25 USD PET CT is 6500 RMB, or 900 USD

https://ybj.sh.gov.cn/cmsres/9b/9baabfec6f6c4e3fa03d6289f5e7...

Ambulance cost is shockingly low, 30 RMB per call plus 7 RMB per KM, that is 4 USD per call plus 1 USD per KM.

https://wx.sh120.sh.cn/mobjsp/helpinfo/FeeScale.jsp?communit...

when you can't afford those tests in the west or facing a stupidly long waiting period, don't be sad, just jump onto an airplane to get yourself checked & treated in Shanghai. You'd still save heap of money saved after such extra travel costs.

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Post by wordofx »

leeorz wrote: post #98
wordofx wrote: post #88

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Hahahhahahah no way. Salaries in Japan, Korea, Singapore are WAY better than China.

If you consider the exchange rate, of course, salaries in China would be much lower. If considering purchasing power and cost of living, Chinese salaries would have a relatively high level of competitiveness.

There are sooo many programmers in China that they don’t value programming. You get paid peanuts because there’s so many people to do the job.

Re: PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Post by tw1984 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #87
_lvbh wrote: post #45

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> we are falling far behind in many areas, including cyber security In terms of quantity and quality of talent, I don't think the western world would fall behind China, especially with their strict control of information. Most people there will have difficulty independently learning about cybersecurity. The difference is that most talent is captured by the private sector with higher compensation or bounties. Meanwhil…

> In terms of quantity At the very least China is generally gonna have everyone else beat on quantity of people involved in quite a lot of things.

check AI, green energy, EV, mobile computing, cloud computing, quantum stuff, robots etc. it is pretty much China vs US now when it comes to quality.

how many people would seriously believe that EU or Japan can possibly compete with China on its own in terms of quality for those above mentioned sectors.

just looking at those low quality & high pollution Japanese & European cars.

Re: PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Post by foohoge »

tw1984 wrote: post #106
foohoge wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said in another thread, you can live cheaply in Japan if you're about 20 minutes by train from Tokyo. In that thread, someone said that rent is expensive in Beijing and Shanghai. It looks similar. Anyway, in China I heard that if you go to hospital in a different household registration, you have to pay the full medical costs. It sounds the cost of living in China is expensive.

> in China I heard that if you go to hospital in a different household registration, you have to pay the full medical costs. When talking about paying such full medical costs, let me share some concrete numbers with you, all numbers are from tier 1 cities like Shanghai - Chest CT scan is 170-200 RMB, or 25-30 USD MRI scan is 260-460 RMB, or 35-65 USD Ultrasound is 20-170 RMB, or 3-25 USD PET CT is 6500 RMB, or 900 US…

Haha, it's more expensive than Japan. A frog in a well does not know the ocean.

Re: PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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Post by chvid »

churchill wrote: post #4

Whenever I see these news & FBI releases about Chinese state-sponsored hackers breaching systems in America, I wonder whether the same thing happens over there: American malware and hacker groups attacking & laying landmines in China's internet infrastructure, although the Chinese may not publicize these exploits because their system opts to maintain an air of invincibility.

In the last episode of the risky business podcast they chatted about the "GoblinRAT" based on this Russian analysis/post-mortem:

https://rt-solar.ru/solar-4rays/blog/4861/

Likely an attack done by US intelligence.

There has been quite a few of these with a lot of details released by Russian techies - this is just the latest one I know of.

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