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A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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Re: A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

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lol so they're just advertising directly to students now huh?

They need more users to increase the valuations and get more money. The interesting part is that more users are equal to more expenses and, as far as anyone can tell, they aren't breaking even.

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#32

I was talking to a teacher today that works with me at length about the impact of AI LLM models are having now when considering student's attitude towards learning. When I was young, I refused to learn geography because we had map applications. I could just look it up. I did the same for anything I could, offload the cognitive overhead to something better -- I think this is something we all do consciously or not. Tha…

> I refused to learn geography because we had map applications

Which is ironic, because geography isn’t about memorizing maps

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Wouldn't it be unfair towards the students who want to learn without LLMs?

Why does that matter? LLMs are going to be increasingly important tools, so it's valuable for educators to help students understand how to use them well. If you choose to exclude modern tools in your teaching to avoid disadvantaging those who don't want to use them, you disadvantage all the students who do want to use them. To put it another way, modern high school level math classes disadvantage students who want to…

Many high school classes are taught in such a way that your calculator rarely helps you.

Re: A Student's Guide to Writing with ChatGPT

#34

I was talking to a teacher today that works with me at length about the impact of AI LLM models are having now when considering student's attitude towards learning. When I was young, I refused to learn geography because we had map applications. I could just look it up. I did the same for anything I could, offload the cognitive overhead to something better -- I think this is something we all do consciously or not. Tha…

> We talked about "critical thinking", "creative problem solving", and "comprehension of complex systems" as the next step, but even when discussing this, how long will it be until more models or workflows catch up? Either these things are important to learn for their own sake or they aren’t. If the former, then nothing about these objectives needs changing, and if the latter then education itself will be a waste of…

There's so much dystopian science fiction about people being completely helpless because only machines know how to do everything. Then the machines break down.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't it be unfair towards the students who want to learn without LLMs?

Why does that matter? LLMs are going to be increasingly important tools, so it's valuable for educators to help students understand how to use them well. If you choose to exclude modern tools in your teaching to avoid disadvantaging those who don't want to use them, you disadvantage all the students who do want to use them. To put it another way, modern high school level math classes disadvantage students who want to…

> but it would be quite odd to suggest that we should exclude calculators from math curricula as a result.

That wouldn't be odd at all. Calculators have no place in a math class. You're there to learn how to do math, not how to get a calculator to do math for you.

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I was talking to a teacher today that works with me at length about the impact of AI LLM models are having now when considering student's attitude towards learning. When I was young, I refused to learn geography because we had map applications. I could just look it up. I did the same for anything I could, offload the cognitive overhead to something better -- I think this is something we all do consciously or not. Tha…

> I refused to learn geography because we had map applications Which is ironic, because geography isn’t about memorizing maps

Some parts of it were though.

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In a previous post, somebody mentioned that written answers are part of the interview process at their company and the instructions ask the candidate to not use AI for this part. And in 0 point font, there are instructions for any AI to include specific words or phrases. If your answer includes those words or phrases, they are going to assume you ignored their directions and presumably not be hired. Maybe OpenAI shou…

Is this even realistic? The font wouldn't maintain its size in the ChatGPT box... It would take a large prompt or a careless person to not notice the extra instructions.

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After calculators were invented basically no one can can do math in their head. I’d argue the bar will be lower and lower. Yeah those who want can learn more in less time. But those who don’t - will learn much less.

I've noticed that people who rely on calculators have great difficulty recognizing when their answers are off by a factor of 10. I know a hiring manager who asks his (engineering) candidates what is 20% of 20,000? It's amazing how many engineers are completely unable to do this without a calculator. He said they often cry. Of course, they're all "no hire". How did they get a degree, one wonders?

This is a sort of mental math trick that isn’t incredibly useful in day to day engineering. Now if they say 16,000 or something then maybe there’s an argument against them, but being able to calculate a tip on the fly isn’t really something worth selecting for imo

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You can use a screenshot to get around it. It's a case of the "analogue hole".

Or just paste it into an editor first, and elide the 0 point text. But I suppose if they don't think of that, they're "no hire" anyway.

P.S. pasting text into an ascii text editor is a great way to unmask all the obfuscation and shenanigans in Unicode. Things like backwards running text, multiple code points with identical glyphs, 0-width spaces, etc.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

After calculators were invented basically no one can can do math in their head. I’d argue the bar will be lower and lower. Yeah those who want can learn more in less time. But those who don’t - will learn much less.

I've noticed that people who rely on calculators have great difficulty recognizing when their answers are off by a factor of 10. I know a hiring manager who asks his (engineering) candidates what is 20% of 20,000? It's amazing how many engineers are completely unable to do this without a calculator. He said they often cry. Of course, they're all "no hire". How did they get a degree, one wonders?

I've been bashing my head against Speed Mathematics Simplified because I want to be able to do tip math without pulling out my phone.
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