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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by Liquix » Wed, Nov 06, 2024, 2:06 PM UTC

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #436

As a foreigner, it seems like both sides are super extremely marginalised. Both sides believe everything will be done and there will be a big change if the other side wins. Reality is really not that radical, people are being lit up by propoganda. Saying this as a Turkish person, this has been happening in our country almost since I was born and it destroyed politics, normalisation and being calm is much better than…

In the US, it seems the 2011 Occupy Wall Street protests were the last time it was really the people vs. the incumbents. Ever since then all there's been are carefully manufactured conflicts with two sides to choose from, which divide the common class and cause them to argue amongst each other.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by fredgrott » Wed, Nov 06, 2024, 2:06 PM UTC

goethes_kind wrote: post #165

From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…

Dem here, Harris needed to deliver her first speech and separate from Biden on policy...i.e. knockout punch....

Any less was always a crap shot....

This speaks to relationship between Bidden, Harris and the Dem elites...in that where no alternate leadership can rise...

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by dtquad » Wed, Nov 06, 2024, 2:07 PM UTC

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #436

As a foreigner, it seems like both sides are super extremely marginalised. Both sides believe everything will be done and there will be a big change if the other side wins. Reality is really not that radical, people are being lit up by propoganda. Saying this as a Turkish person, this has been happening in our country almost since I was born and it destroyed politics, normalisation and being calm is much better than…

>Politics shouldn’t be right vs left, it should be rich vs middle class vs poor, as economics is the single most impactful aspect on most people’s lives.

I agree but ironically this kind of rhetoric is actually how the American left (not the Democrats) were undermined and now Americans are overworked slaves working two or more jobs to live paycheck to paycheck.

"Right vs left" does matter and it was organized left-wing efforts that created the superior life-work balance and healthcare in Europe.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by diognesofsinope » Wed, Nov 06, 2024, 2:07 PM UTC

the5avage wrote: post #96

Is there some analysis why the polls didn't correctly predict the result? A failure in representative polls like this should be avoided with statistical methods.

Vegas and prediction markets consistently had Trump as the favorites.

Polling companies are in the business of media deals and government contracts. They will develop methodology and reporting to that end and the money is in "a close and contested race", even if it won't be.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by bikamonki » Wed, Nov 06, 2024, 2:07 PM UTC

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #436

As a foreigner, it seems like both sides are super extremely marginalised. Both sides believe everything will be done and there will be a big change if the other side wins. Reality is really not that radical, people are being lit up by propoganda. Saying this as a Turkish person, this has been happening in our country almost since I was born and it destroyed politics, normalisation and being calm is much better than…

Very well put. I also live in a country where this kind of politics is everyday politics. Nothing really changes for good.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by cbsks » Wed, Nov 06, 2024, 2:09 PM UTC

tlogan wrote: post #448

It’s all about the economy (remember, ‘it’s the economy, stupid’). We keep hearing statistics showing that the economy is doing well, but I have yet to meet anyone who feels like they’re actually better off. I’m not saying that the stats are wrong, but when it comes to politics, you can’t address economic anxiety by just pointing to statistics and saying, ‘Look, the numbers say everything is fine.’

> I have yet to meet anyone who feels like they’re actually better off.

Hi! I’m doing better than ever before. It’s hard to attribute that to a political cause, however. I expect to be doing even better in 4 years, regardless of who’s in office.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by nrook » Wed, Nov 06, 2024, 2:10 PM UTC

leke wrote: post #109

This is weird because the information I was getting was that Harris was leading the opinion polls and the Trump supporters were dropping him at the last minute. Now this feels like a rigged election.

From what I can tell, the polls were just really bad. Less than 1% response rates. This provided hope for various sides at various times but at the end of the day they basically aren't that useful.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by bitsandboots » Wed, Nov 06, 2024, 2:11 PM UTC

the5avage wrote: post #96

Is there some analysis why the polls didn't correctly predict the result? A failure in representative polls like this should be avoided with statistical methods.

The conversation has become so polarized that people are preferring to hide their intentions to avoid confrontation.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by jzackpete » Wed, Nov 06, 2024, 2:12 PM UTC

harimau777 wrote: post #333

What's the best way for someone from one of the groups that Republicans hate to move to a Western European or Nordic nation where they are less likely to be marginalized or threatened? I'm sure there will be plenty of time to analyze exactly what happened, but right now my only concern is getting out.

You mean a country that is more white?

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by from-nibly » Wed, Nov 06, 2024, 2:12 PM UTC

tlogan wrote: post #448

It’s all about the economy (remember, ‘it’s the economy, stupid’). We keep hearing statistics showing that the economy is doing well, but I have yet to meet anyone who feels like they’re actually better off. I’m not saying that the stats are wrong, but when it comes to politics, you can’t address economic anxiety by just pointing to statistics and saying, ‘Look, the numbers say everything is fine.’

look, whatever the charts say is a 100% bold faced lie. have you seen the price of a little ceasars pizza? it's jumped nearly 50% in the last 4 years. my salary has not gone up 50% relative to my experiece in the last 4 years. most recently i got a salary cut. you can't make me believe the economy is doing fine.